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Based on the percentage of young people who got Covid (very high) and were disabled (very few), this doesn’t seem significant.

aredox 2y ago
The difference with TB being that COVID infects 95% of the population several times per year, turning those low relative rates into higher and higher absolute numbers... "Death by a thousand cuts"
- tightbookkeeper 2y ago
  Can you estimate those absolute numbers for us?
  - giraffe_lady 2y ago
    Can you? You were the first to bring in a concrete claim about them, that they are "very small."
    - tightbookkeeper 2y ago
      I’m not the one claiming Covid is as impactful or dangerous as TB, a very unusual claim. Please make your case.
      - aredox 2y ago
        Me neither, despite your flagrant attempt at putting a strawman. Maybe, you know, there is a middle ground between "as impactful or dangerous as TB" and "negligible"? Especially when so much is unknown about the SARS-CoV-2, a virus that infects the whole body (not just the lungs)? For reference, almost all the victims of SARS-CoV-1 are still suffering from complications almost two decades later, between permanent fatigue, pulmonary damage, osteoporosis and bone necrosis, immune system deregulation, cognition impairment... Which is, you know, less worse than death and therefore TB, but still
  - Krssst 2y ago
    The CDC has measurements: https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Post-COVID-Conditions/gsea-w83j/data_preview https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Post-COVID-Conditions/gsea-w83j/da... Answer is a bit more of 1% young adults have significant limitations caused by long COVID if I read it well. 2024 data.
- Krssst 2y ago
  For reference, recent figures seem to be around 5% of younger adults currently experiencing long COVID: https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Post-COVID-Conditions/gsea-w83j/data_preview https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Post-COVID-Conditions/gsea-w83j/da... (need to filter on the columns quite a bit to reach the figures : "currently experiencing long COVID, all adults" + "time period end date" set to the latest) But this figure also includes cases without significant activity limitation. Significant activity limitations from long COVID across all adults for younger adults is slightly above 1%. Which is not negligible I think.
  - aredox 2y ago
    It's certainly much bigger, given diagnosis is still fairly vague (no standardized test). Here is a chilling possibility it may be closer to 25% already: https://neurosciencenews.com/ai-long-covid-28003/ https://neurosciencenews.com/ai-long-covid-28003/
stevenAthompson 2y ago
We know that infection with COVID causes permanent changes to the body, and that those changes are damaging to health. There have been studies that indicate this damage might be cumulative. We do not yet know what the long term impacts of acquiring COVID repeatedly will be, but we're going to find out. It's my suspicion that those healthy young people will have lungs like chain smokers, higher rates of certain cancers, and a much higher propensity for certain cardiovascular ailments in a few decades.

aredox 2y ago

The difference with TB being that COVID infects 95% of the population several times per year, turning those low relative rates into higher and higher absolute numbers... "Death by a thousand cuts"

tightbookkeeper 2y ago
Can you estimate those absolute numbers for us?
- giraffe_lady 2y ago
  Can you? You were the first to bring in a concrete claim about them, that they are "very small."
  - tightbookkeeper 2y ago
    I’m not the one claiming Covid is as impactful or dangerous as TB, a very unusual claim. Please make your case.
    - aredox 2y ago
      Me neither, despite your flagrant attempt at putting a strawman. Maybe, you know, there is a middle ground between "as impactful or dangerous as TB" and "negligible"? Especially when so much is unknown about the SARS-CoV-2, a virus that infects the whole body (not just the lungs)? For reference, almost all the victims of SARS-CoV-1 are still suffering from complications almost two decades later, between permanent fatigue, pulmonary damage, osteoporosis and bone necrosis, immune system deregulation, cognition impairment... Which is, you know, less worse than death and therefore TB, but still
- Krssst 2y ago
  The CDC has measurements: https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Post-COVID-Conditions/gsea-w83j/data_preview https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Post-COVID-Conditions/gsea-w83j/da... Answer is a bit more of 1% young adults have significant limitations caused by long COVID if I read it well. 2024 data.
Krssst 2y ago
For reference, recent figures seem to be around 5% of younger adults currently experiencing long COVID: https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Post-COVID-Conditions/gsea-w83j/data_preview https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Post-COVID-Conditions/gsea-w83j/da... (need to filter on the columns quite a bit to reach the figures : "currently experiencing long COVID, all adults" + "time period end date" set to the latest) But this figure also includes cases without significant activity limitation. Significant activity limitations from long COVID across all adults for younger adults is slightly above 1%. Which is not negligible I think.
- aredox 2y ago
  It's certainly much bigger, given diagnosis is still fairly vague (no standardized test). Here is a chilling possibility it may be closer to 25% already: https://neurosciencenews.com/ai-long-covid-28003/ https://neurosciencenews.com/ai-long-covid-28003/

stevenAthompson 2y ago

We know that infection with COVID causes permanent changes to the body, and that those changes are damaging to health. There have been studies that indicate this damage might be cumulative. We do not yet know what the long term impacts of acquiring COVID repeatedly will be, but we're going to find out. It's my suspicion that those healthy young people will have lungs like chain smokers, higher rates of certain cancers, and a much higher propensity for certain cardiovascular ailments in a few decades.