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But now you've also changed the requirements - it's no longer "All the maintenance a Linux box needs" (which you claimed was the biggest impediment up-thread),

by xethos 2y ago

But now you've also changed the requirements - it's no longer "All the maintenance a Linux box needs" (which you claimed was the biggest impediment up-thread), now it's the initial hump of getting it installed

philistine 2y ago
Sorry, I'm strictly focusing on my bugaboo about the Linux crowd on here: that they refuse to acknowledge that installing Linux is sine qua non. I do not know one way or the other how easy it is to daily drive Linux.
- Aachen 2y ago
  Subtitling for those of us not speaking Latin over here: it seems to mean prerequisite As for the "but the installation is so difficult" point, perhaps, but would you trust them to install Windows or macOS onto an otherwise empty SSD? I've had more trouble getting Windows onto systems without needing a CD-RW and corresponding CD drive than I ever did installing Ubuntu, Debian, Mint, Crunchbang, and perhaps more I forgot. Only Arch was more difficult, but then it's meant/advertised to be that way so no surprise there. I've also tried installing macOS and succeeded eventually, but the system was quite dysfunctional. I'd not be surprised if you do a study with 60 random people and it turns out most of them actually get it done for Linux distributions with lower success rates for the OSes that expect to be pre-installed by commercial deals with the hardware vendor And all this only applies if you didn't buy a laptop that comes with a FOSS distribution out of the box. I see it as an advantage that you can pick nearly any hardware and run on it what you want, but if you want to limit it to pre-installed systems then there's that option, too
  - philistine 2y ago
    > but would you trust them to install Windows or macOS onto an otherwise empty SSD? It's not a question of trust. It's a question of commerce. People buy computers, and they use the OS on it. If the Linux community really wants to drive adoption by normies, the focus shouldn't be on ease of use, or ease of installation. They should fight to break Microsoft's monopoly and demand to be an optional selection during every purchase.
- fsflover 2y ago
  Devices with preinstalled Linux exist.

by xethos 2y ago

philistine 2y ago

Sorry, I'm strictly focusing on my bugaboo about the Linux crowd on here: that they refuse to acknowledge that installing Linux is sine qua non. I do not know one way or the other how easy it is to daily drive Linux.

Aachen 2y ago
Subtitling for those of us not speaking Latin over here: it seems to mean prerequisite As for the "but the installation is so difficult" point, perhaps, but would you trust them to install Windows or macOS onto an otherwise empty SSD? I've had more trouble getting Windows onto systems without needing a CD-RW and corresponding CD drive than I ever did installing Ubuntu, Debian, Mint, Crunchbang, and perhaps more I forgot. Only Arch was more difficult, but then it's meant/advertised to be that way so no surprise there. I've also tried installing macOS and succeeded eventually, but the system was quite dysfunctional. I'd not be surprised if you do a study with 60 random people and it turns out most of them actually get it done for Linux distributions with lower success rates for the OSes that expect to be pre-installed by commercial deals with the hardware vendor And all this only applies if you didn't buy a laptop that comes with a FOSS distribution out of the box. I see it as an advantage that you can pick nearly any hardware and run on it what you want, but if you want to limit it to pre-installed systems then there's that option, too
- philistine 2y ago
  > but would you trust them to install Windows or macOS onto an otherwise empty SSD? It's not a question of trust. It's a question of commerce. People buy computers, and they use the OS on it. If the Linux community really wants to drive adoption by normies, the focus shouldn't be on ease of use, or ease of installation. They should fight to break Microsoft's monopoly and demand to be an optional selection during every purchase.
fsflover 2y ago
Devices with preinstalled Linux exist.