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They're joke of tram systems. Yeah, for (West) Germany Munich is an exception, I guess (and I should have added it), but look at cities like Hamburg, which got

They're joke of tram systems. Yeah, for (West) Germany Munich is an exception, I guess (and I should have added it), but look at cities like Hamburg, which got rid fo their tram network completely back in the day [1]. To say nothing of very big European cities like Paris, London, Madrid or Rome that are (almost) totally lacking in that respect, and I'm not counting the light-rail thingie, I'm talking about trams that actually go to downtown and to many, many other areas, like a spider web. This is the Paris tram map [2], it's a joke, to be honest with you. Yes, I know that the metro is supposed to be a substitute for that, but the metro is at least an order of magnitude (if not more) more expensive to operate and it's not the same thing as a tram, where you just pop-in and pop-out while seeing the actual daylight through the tram's windows. Later edit: For comparison, this is the Vienna tram map, i.e. the spider web network I was talking about [3] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trams_in_Hamburg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trams_in_Hamburg [2] https://parismap360.com/website/var/tmp/image-thumbnails/0/601/thumb__map/paris-tram-map.pjpeg https://parismap360.com/website/var/tmp/image-thumbnails/0/6... [3] https://www.urbanrail.net/eu/at/vienna/tram/wien-tram-centre.png https://www.urbanrail.net/eu/at/vienna/tram/wien-tram-centre...

panick21_ 2y ago
> but the metro is at least an order of magnitude (if not more) more expensive to operate Many metros, specially the automates ones are really cheap to operate. If you compare capacity and cost then metro lines are far more efficient. A lot of old tram lines are simply done by buses. Often even electric buses. I'm all for more trams, but they are just one part of a much larger transportation system. Using them as the primary center to outskirts mechanism isn't a good idea.

panick21_ 2y ago

> but the metro is at least an order of magnitude (if not more) more expensive to operate Many metros, specially the automates ones are really cheap to operate. If you compare capacity and cost then metro lines are far more efficient. A lot of old tram lines are simply done by buses. Often even electric buses. I'm all for more trams, but they are just one part of a much larger transportation system. Using them as the primary center to outskirts mechanism isn't a good idea.