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Never been to Vienna so I definitely wouldn't comment on its quality, but this comment is very very far from convincing to me, more like entitled. "people are

Never been to Vienna so I definitely wouldn't comment on its quality, but this comment is very very far from convincing to me, more like entitled. "people are poor" - maybe, I've not looked at any stat so I'll believe you. "entrepreneurs are considered third class at best" - how is that related to how liveable a city is? And yes, american-startup-style entrepreneurship isn't as encouraged everywhere in the world, personally I think that's a good thing. "tech people with means are negatively viewed both by the young population and the old" - Again, what's that to do with how liveable Vienna is? Also I'm not surprised. I'm a tech person myself and I don't have a great view of tech people. There's good reasons for that. "Of course, there is no AC" - a lot of Europe doesn't really use AC (eg France). Vienna isn't even a particularly hot city.

Rinzler89 2y ago
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- The_Colonel 2y ago
  > Because if your social class is demonized That's the first time I'm hearing tech workers are demonized in Austria. > We're on a forum of mostly tech workers after all, not minimum wage shelf stackers, it's normal the livability will be judged form that perspective. If you don't qualify "livability" then it's normal to understand it as it is defined. If you want to talk about livability for high-income earners then just say it. > Most of Central and Eastern EU have normalize ACs in private residences because summers are getting hotter and hotter. Can you be more specific? ACs are not common in Czechia, Slovakia, Poland for sure. My guess is that your CEE will turn into South-Eastern Europe where the situation is of course different.
  - ghaff 2y ago
    AC is probably more common than it used to be in relatively wealthy countries in a certain band than it used to be, especially for newer construction. I'm not sure it's so much changes in temperature as it is just overall expectations changing. I live in an old house in central MA in the US and I'll sometimes turn on a window/portable AC unit for a handful of days a year but I'm certainly not paying to have central air installed. Undergrad in the urban Boston area the older dorms certainly didn't have AC.
- piva00 2y ago
  > Because if your social class is demonized and squeezed to pay for holes in the welfare state, that affects your livability. Tech workers are usually on the top 25th percentile of income in almost any large European city, surely aren't being squeezed to patch holes in welfare since even after paying higher taxes the take home income is higher than most people earn in the same city. This victimisation of upper middle class is quite whiny, we all earn a lot more money than most already, the demonisation of our class comes exactly from people in tech not acknowledging that we have it pretty good compared to other high-salaried white collar jobs: architects, accountants, legal counselors (not free practice barristers), engineers, etc. We earn more and aren't even required to jump through hoops of 5-6 years architecture school, 5 years full time engineering school, certifications like CPA, etc. I started to despise some tech people because they whine so fucking much...
- namaria 2y ago
  > minimum wage shelf stackers Why do you conflate these things? There's plenty of people doing a lot of fundamentally important jobs getting low pay and also lots of people doing the office equivalent of "stacking shelves" making a killing.
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spacechild1 2y ago
> "people are poor" - maybe, I've not looked at any stat so I'll believe you. There are many people that depend on social welfare, but nobody is starving and there's lots of public housing and free healthcare. We certainly have no slums.
- jahnu 2y ago
  Exactly. In fact the municipal housing is excellent by world standards and not just something for those in the lowest income bracket. There were some scandals recently about slum landlords, but the point is they were caught and already legislation is being proposed to prevent even these rare, but horrible, cases to slip by.

Rinzler89 2y ago

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The_Colonel 2y ago
> Because if your social class is demonized That's the first time I'm hearing tech workers are demonized in Austria. > We're on a forum of mostly tech workers after all, not minimum wage shelf stackers, it's normal the livability will be judged form that perspective. If you don't qualify "livability" then it's normal to understand it as it is defined. If you want to talk about livability for high-income earners then just say it. > Most of Central and Eastern EU have normalize ACs in private residences because summers are getting hotter and hotter. Can you be more specific? ACs are not common in Czechia, Slovakia, Poland for sure. My guess is that your CEE will turn into South-Eastern Europe where the situation is of course different.
- ghaff 2y ago
  AC is probably more common than it used to be in relatively wealthy countries in a certain band than it used to be, especially for newer construction. I'm not sure it's so much changes in temperature as it is just overall expectations changing. I live in an old house in central MA in the US and I'll sometimes turn on a window/portable AC unit for a handful of days a year but I'm certainly not paying to have central air installed. Undergrad in the urban Boston area the older dorms certainly didn't have AC.
piva00 2y ago
> Because if your social class is demonized and squeezed to pay for holes in the welfare state, that affects your livability. Tech workers are usually on the top 25th percentile of income in almost any large European city, surely aren't being squeezed to patch holes in welfare since even after paying higher taxes the take home income is higher than most people earn in the same city. This victimisation of upper middle class is quite whiny, we all earn a lot more money than most already, the demonisation of our class comes exactly from people in tech not acknowledging that we have it pretty good compared to other high-salaried white collar jobs: architects, accountants, legal counselors (not free practice barristers), engineers, etc. We earn more and aren't even required to jump through hoops of 5-6 years architecture school, 5 years full time engineering school, certifications like CPA, etc. I started to despise some tech people because they whine so fucking much...
namaria 2y ago
> minimum wage shelf stackers Why do you conflate these things? There's plenty of people doing a lot of fundamentally important jobs getting low pay and also lots of people doing the office equivalent of "stacking shelves" making a killing.
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spacechild1 2y ago

> "people are poor" - maybe, I've not looked at any stat so I'll believe you. There are many people that depend on social welfare, but nobody is starving and there's lots of public housing and free healthcare. We certainly have no slums.

jahnu 2y ago
Exactly. In fact the municipal housing is excellent by world standards and not just something for those in the lowest income bracket. There were some scandals recently about slum landlords, but the point is they were caught and already legislation is being proposed to prevent even these rare, but horrible, cases to slip by.