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This reminds me of one of the best programming tools at the time. Moving from basic to vs basic was mind blowing. I still miss such tools in the Modern era. The

This reminds me of one of the best programming tools at the time. Moving from basic to vs basic was mind blowing. I still miss such tools in the Modern era. There are lot of so called no-code or low-code tools that does things very differently today. I still think the best low-code is what VB did.

oaiey 2y ago
And honestly, with the reactive programming approach ... a related UX for IDE should not be that hard either. I think most framework developers unfortunately forget productivity as a key metric. Might be a bit unfair however, the lack of visual tools is disappointing.
- qwertox 2y ago
  The issue today is that developers would create their own framework, most likely something TypeScript-based running in Node or Deno or some Rust-based thing like Tauri, which all might be OK, but with their own opinionated UI styleguides and features, where then half of the native OS functionality then won't work. You see a somewhat related degeneration in Redmond, where the new Windows Explorer doesn't have an icon in the address bar which is actually draggable so that a shortcut to the currently open folder can be created on the desktop or anywhere where such a shortcut can be used (think TrueLaunchBar). Now you have to go to the parent folder in order to Alt-Drag the folder to create a shortcut. It's those little things which where smartly developed during the 80s and 90s, which "modern" developers seem not to have noticed and therefore just ignored while re-implementing applications like the Windows Explorer.
  - ryandrake 2y ago
    There are so many Chesterson's Fences[1] being destroyed with modern UX design. Everyone just wants to change things for change's sake. Or worse, to simply have another piece of unique artwork for one's portfolio. Whenever I've tried to push back on Yet Another Big UI Design, the reasons for doing it are always so vague: Our current product looks "dated." It's not "fresh." Competitors' products look "sleeker." We're using "outdated" design language. So we overhaul the application, throwing years of know-how and bugfixes away in all the refactoring. 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Chesterton%27s_fence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Chesterton%27s_fence
  - mmerlin 2y ago
    Alt-drag from the parent folder... so that's the workaround... thanks for the tip on handling this deprecated feature. Not only has the folder address icon-drag been lost in the name of progress, so too have dozens of previously useful keyboard shortcuts, plus the core ability to re-dock Windows Start Bar onto any edge of the screen... nowadays in Win11 we are restricted to only docking at the bottom.
- ben_w 2y ago
  > And honestly, with the reactive programming approach ... a related UX for IDE should not be that hard either. I think that's what Apple is attempting with SwiftUI previews in Xcode; given how long that took to not suck, I'd say it's probably harder than it seems.
CRConrad 2y ago
> I still miss such tools in the Modern era. There are lot of so called no-code or low-code tools that does things very differently today. You don't have to miss it, there's still one that does things similarly: https://www.lazarus-ide.org/ https://www.lazarus-ide.org/

oaiey 2y ago

And honestly, with the reactive programming approach ... a related UX for IDE should not be that hard either. I think most framework developers unfortunately forget productivity as a key metric. Might be a bit unfair however, the lack of visual tools is disappointing.

qwertox 2y ago
The issue today is that developers would create their own framework, most likely something TypeScript-based running in Node or Deno or some Rust-based thing like Tauri, which all might be OK, but with their own opinionated UI styleguides and features, where then half of the native OS functionality then won't work. You see a somewhat related degeneration in Redmond, where the new Windows Explorer doesn't have an icon in the address bar which is actually draggable so that a shortcut to the currently open folder can be created on the desktop or anywhere where such a shortcut can be used (think TrueLaunchBar). Now you have to go to the parent folder in order to Alt-Drag the folder to create a shortcut. It's those little things which where smartly developed during the 80s and 90s, which "modern" developers seem not to have noticed and therefore just ignored while re-implementing applications like the Windows Explorer.
- ryandrake 2y ago
  There are so many Chesterson's Fences[1] being destroyed with modern UX design. Everyone just wants to change things for change's sake. Or worse, to simply have another piece of unique artwork for one's portfolio. Whenever I've tried to push back on Yet Another Big UI Design, the reasons for doing it are always so vague: Our current product looks "dated." It's not "fresh." Competitors' products look "sleeker." We're using "outdated" design language. So we overhaul the application, throwing years of know-how and bugfixes away in all the refactoring. 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Chesterton%27s_fence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Chesterton%27s_fence
- mmerlin 2y ago
  Alt-drag from the parent folder... so that's the workaround... thanks for the tip on handling this deprecated feature. Not only has the folder address icon-drag been lost in the name of progress, so too have dozens of previously useful keyboard shortcuts, plus the core ability to re-dock Windows Start Bar onto any edge of the screen... nowadays in Win11 we are restricted to only docking at the bottom.
ben_w 2y ago
> And honestly, with the reactive programming approach ... a related UX for IDE should not be that hard either. I think that's what Apple is attempting with SwiftUI previews in Xcode; given how long that took to not suck, I'd say it's probably harder than it seems.

CRConrad 2y ago

> I still miss such tools in the Modern era. There are lot of so called no-code or low-code tools that does things very differently today. You don't have to miss it, there's still one that does things similarly: https://www.lazarus-ide.org/ https://www.lazarus-ide.org/