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The WHO [0] reports 60 thousand Covid deaths this year so far, and around 250 thousand deaths in 2023. [0] https://data.who.int/dashboards/covid19/deaths https

The WHO [0] reports 60 thousand Covid deaths this year so far, and around 250 thousand deaths in 2023. [0] https://data.who.int/dashboards/covid19/deaths https://data.who.int/dashboards/covid19/deaths

sampo 2y ago
US CDC has about 40k deaths for 2024 so far [1] for United States, and 76k for the year 2023 [2]. Maybe the WHO dashboard is left unmaintained, or maybe many countries have stopped reporting Covid deaths to WHO. [1] https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#trends_totaldeaths_select_00 https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#trends_totaldeaths... [2] https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/2823584 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/28235...
- dgfitz 2y ago
  Or it’s accurate.
  - tightbookkeeper 2y ago
    How is the cause of death determined for 250k people? EDIT: I got curious and looked up the CDC guidelines https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/vsrg/vsrg03-508.pdf https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/vsrg/vsrg03-508.pdf > based on sound medical judgment drawn from clinical training and experience, as well as knowledge of current disease states and local trends > the disease or injury which initiated the train of morbid events leading directly to death It goes on to suggest that if Covid was present they strongly recommend including it. And even if you did not diagnose Covid it can be a good assumption to make.
    - robertlagrant 2y ago
      There were upper and lower bound stats that accounted for many discrepancies. The high numbers were "death with covid", which means the covid might not've done it, and the low numbers were "death by covid" where we were (fairly) sure Covid did it due to lack of other factors, but missed things where Covid tipped someone over the edge.
      - tightbookkeeper 2y ago
        That sounds right. Based on my reading the CDC numbers are basically death with Covid test or symptoms, with the exception of an obvious distinct cause. Which honestly I can’t think of a better way for mass data collection.

sampo 2y ago

US CDC has about 40k deaths for 2024 so far [1] for United States, and 76k for the year 2023 [2]. Maybe the WHO dashboard is left unmaintained, or maybe many countries have stopped reporting Covid deaths to WHO. [1] https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#trends_totaldeaths_select_00 https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#trends_totaldeaths... [2] https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/2823584 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/28235...

dgfitz 2y ago
Or it’s accurate.
- tightbookkeeper 2y ago
  How is the cause of death determined for 250k people? EDIT: I got curious and looked up the CDC guidelines https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/vsrg/vsrg03-508.pdf https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/vsrg/vsrg03-508.pdf > based on sound medical judgment drawn from clinical training and experience, as well as knowledge of current disease states and local trends > the disease or injury which initiated the train of morbid events leading directly to death It goes on to suggest that if Covid was present they strongly recommend including it. And even if you did not diagnose Covid it can be a good assumption to make.
  - robertlagrant 2y ago
    There were upper and lower bound stats that accounted for many discrepancies. The high numbers were "death with covid", which means the covid might not've done it, and the low numbers were "death by covid" where we were (fairly) sure Covid did it due to lack of other factors, but missed things where Covid tipped someone over the edge.
    - tightbookkeeper 2y ago
      That sounds right. Based on my reading the CDC numbers are basically death with Covid test or symptoms, with the exception of an obvious distinct cause. Which honestly I can’t think of a better way for mass data collection.