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If you’re not already running Linux desktop, then Linux desktop is a viable option only if you value your time at exactly zero.

viraptor 2y ago
Compared to Mac? It's a better development platform, better digital audio system, better game platform, and probably a few others I haven't experienced. Let the old memes die, there's lots of people happily using Linux without wasting time.
- sgjohnson 2y ago
  > there's lots of people happily using Linux without wasting time. No doubt. But it no doubt required a SIGNIFICANT time investment to get to the point where they can just use their machines “without wasting time”.
  - herbst 2y ago
    I don't think that's true anymore. I install Linux on families computers for years now. And maintaining is zero at this point. The majority of computer usage of a normal user is within their browser and maybe office programs and some gaming. All perfectly fine with Linux.
- richrichardsson 2y ago
  > better development platform Possibly true, dependant on what you're trying to develop. > better digital audio system ProTools Linux? Cubase Linux? Ableton Live Linux? The vast majority of plugins for above DAWs? If you're talking about purely the system, then it's all moot without having some software for audio professionals to run on it. > better game platform Now I know you're trolling. edit: sorry I forgot the "Compared to Mac?" part at the beginning, this is probably true, but I have zero experience gaming on Mac or Linux.
  - viraptor 2y ago
    > dependant on what you're trying to develop. Basic system tools have been broken on macs for a few major releases now. And I'm familiar with fixing up lots of Darwin-specific issues in software packaging by now. There's seriously a number of downsides here unless you have to use Xcode. I wrote digital audio system for a reason. Pipewire is currently the best implementation out of the 3 major systems. Whether you want to use it with a DAW or in a different way that requires a Mac-only application is orthogonal here. For a lot of DAW work, you don't even need a fancy sound system to begin with. But also there are DAWs which do work on Linux and there are people preferring them. > The vast majority of plugins Yabridge is there for embedding windows VSTs. It's not that bad.
    - herbst 2y ago
      I actually was surprised that most DAWs I see recommended for newbies actually work natively on Linux like Reaper or Bitwig. (I am newbie in this topic, I just found that argument funny, times change)
- freefaler 2y ago
  Apple developer tools are miles away from Microsoft's tools. Microsoft sold to developers for ages. Apple sold hardware mostly and software was a bit of an afterthought. Compare XCode to Microsoft Visual Studio for OS level development.
herbst 2y ago
That's so subjective. I've wasted hours in Apple forums, writing bug reports just to get ignored, and had so much pain using Mac for over a year as developing machine ... Things I would have solved with Linux with a single IRC visit or by examining the relevant code. Ex. I've lost a complete day because I didn't know you need to open xcode to confirm the policy of an update I did in the console. I never used xcode before that day.

viraptor 2y ago

Compared to Mac? It's a better development platform, better digital audio system, better game platform, and probably a few others I haven't experienced. Let the old memes die, there's lots of people happily using Linux without wasting time.

sgjohnson 2y ago
> there's lots of people happily using Linux without wasting time. No doubt. But it no doubt required a SIGNIFICANT time investment to get to the point where they can just use their machines “without wasting time”.
- herbst 2y ago
  I don't think that's true anymore. I install Linux on families computers for years now. And maintaining is zero at this point. The majority of computer usage of a normal user is within their browser and maybe office programs and some gaming. All perfectly fine with Linux.
richrichardsson 2y ago
> better development platform Possibly true, dependant on what you're trying to develop. > better digital audio system ProTools Linux? Cubase Linux? Ableton Live Linux? The vast majority of plugins for above DAWs? If you're talking about purely the system, then it's all moot without having some software for audio professionals to run on it. > better game platform Now I know you're trolling. edit: sorry I forgot the "Compared to Mac?" part at the beginning, this is probably true, but I have zero experience gaming on Mac or Linux.
- viraptor 2y ago
  > dependant on what you're trying to develop. Basic system tools have been broken on macs for a few major releases now. And I'm familiar with fixing up lots of Darwin-specific issues in software packaging by now. There's seriously a number of downsides here unless you have to use Xcode. I wrote digital audio system for a reason. Pipewire is currently the best implementation out of the 3 major systems. Whether you want to use it with a DAW or in a different way that requires a Mac-only application is orthogonal here. For a lot of DAW work, you don't even need a fancy sound system to begin with. But also there are DAWs which do work on Linux and there are people preferring them. > The vast majority of plugins Yabridge is there for embedding windows VSTs. It's not that bad.
  - herbst 2y ago
    I actually was surprised that most DAWs I see recommended for newbies actually work natively on Linux like Reaper or Bitwig. (I am newbie in this topic, I just found that argument funny, times change)
freefaler 2y ago
Apple developer tools are miles away from Microsoft's tools. Microsoft sold to developers for ages. Apple sold hardware mostly and software was a bit of an afterthought. Compare XCode to Microsoft Visual Studio for OS level development.

herbst 2y ago

That's so subjective. I've wasted hours in Apple forums, writing bug reports just to get ignored, and had so much pain using Mac for over a year as developing machine ... Things I would have solved with Linux with a single IRC visit or by examining the relevant code. Ex. I've lost a complete day because I didn't know you need to open xcode to confirm the policy of an update I did in the console. I never used xcode before that day.