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This is Taiwan saying: if I gave you this tech now, how do I know you will be coming to help were I be invaded? We need to be irreplaceable to be protected

jonplackett 2y ago
It’s also saying don’t worry we will give you this new tech very soon (as soon as we have something much much better which will then be non-exportable).
- itsthecourier 2y ago
  Exactly, they comply, on their terms
randomcarbloke 2y ago
Taiwan is giving Donald a lot of credit in thinking he will understand the significance of this move.
- xiphias2 2y ago
  He understands it, he has much more tech people around him than 8 years ago (his second largest donor just purchased 100k GPUs).
jamaicanindian 2y ago
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- itsthecourier 2y ago
  Cooperating with Netherlands was hard, improved a lot with Biden, but now it will suffer again Check "Focus: the ASML way", Biden administration fixed lots of Trump mishaps, and now an encore of mistakes is coming in January
squarefoot 2y ago
Very likely, yes. And before that, should Trump stop helping Ukraine, that could be seen by China as a sign that they can do what they want with Taiwan, just as withdrawing from Afghanistan was probably seen by Putin as being given carte blanche wrt invading Ukraine.
- Urahandystar 2y ago
  Withdrawing from Afganistan had no impact on Putins decision to invade Ukraine. It was planned years in advance but Pompeo's decision to invite them into Nato was the trigger that made it inevitable.
  - hagbard_c 2y ago
    It is more likely that Biden's gaffe in saying that a 'moderate incursion' into Ukraine would not lead to repercussions [1] in combination with the disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan gave Putin the incentive to invade. The push by some [2 - do notice the date, 2008] to get Ukraine to join NATO most likely did play a role in some way but then again there was a safety guarantee in place for Ukraine in return for them turning over soviet nuclear weaponry to Russia. [1] https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/01/20/white-house-scrambles-clean-joe-biden-gaffe-ukraine/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/01/20/white-hous... [2] https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/statement-from-senator-hillary-clinton-ukrainian-membership-nato https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/statement-from-sen...
    - aguaviva 2y ago
      Except in regard to the first trigger (Biden's gaffe) -- there's just not much logic there, being as it came rather late in the game (Jan 2022), whereas the decision to invade had essentially been made several months back (before Putin started moving his 170k troops into place). But we can definitely see the precipitous withdrawal from Afghanistan as being a much greater factor.
      - hagbard_c 2y ago

jonplackett 2y ago

It’s also saying don’t worry we will give you this new tech very soon (as soon as we have something much much better which will then be non-exportable).

itsthecourier 2y ago
Exactly, they comply, on their terms

randomcarbloke 2y ago

Taiwan is giving Donald a lot of credit in thinking he will understand the significance of this move.

xiphias2 2y ago
He understands it, he has much more tech people around him than 8 years ago (his second largest donor just purchased 100k GPUs).

jamaicanindian 2y ago

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itsthecourier 2y ago
Cooperating with Netherlands was hard, improved a lot with Biden, but now it will suffer again Check "Focus: the ASML way", Biden administration fixed lots of Trump mishaps, and now an encore of mistakes is coming in January

squarefoot 2y ago

Very likely, yes. And before that, should Trump stop helping Ukraine, that could be seen by China as a sign that they can do what they want with Taiwan, just as withdrawing from Afghanistan was probably seen by Putin as being given carte blanche wrt invading Ukraine.

Urahandystar 2y ago
Withdrawing from Afganistan had no impact on Putins decision to invade Ukraine. It was planned years in advance but Pompeo's decision to invite them into Nato was the trigger that made it inevitable.
- hagbard_c 2y ago
  It is more likely that Biden's gaffe in saying that a 'moderate incursion' into Ukraine would not lead to repercussions [1] in combination with the disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan gave Putin the incentive to invade. The push by some [2 - do notice the date, 2008] to get Ukraine to join NATO most likely did play a role in some way but then again there was a safety guarantee in place for Ukraine in return for them turning over soviet nuclear weaponry to Russia. [1] https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/01/20/white-house-scrambles-clean-joe-biden-gaffe-ukraine/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/01/20/white-hous... [2] https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/statement-from-senator-hillary-clinton-ukrainian-membership-nato https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/statement-from-sen...
  - aguaviva 2y ago
    Except in regard to the first trigger (Biden's gaffe) -- there's just not much logic there, being as it came rather late in the game (Jan 2022), whereas the decision to invade had essentially been made several months back (before Putin started moving his 170k troops into place). But we can definitely see the precipitous withdrawal from Afghanistan as being a much greater factor.
    - hagbard_c 2y ago