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It was a metaphor, and the target is not "Democrats" but those who the MAGA crowd perceive as usurping law enforcement powers of government to support political

It was a metaphor, and the target is not "Democrats" but those who the MAGA crowd perceive as usurping law enforcement powers of government to support political aims. But I agree. That kind of talk is scary, polarizing, and unbecoming of leadership.

stouset 2y ago
Maybe people who expect to have the power to absolutely destroy people’s lives should speak soberly and with clear intent instead of hyperbolically when referring to exactly how excited they are to destroy people’s lives.
- refurb 2y ago
  Considering how freely “Hitler” was casually thrown about during the election, I think we’re well past that point.
  - lynx23 2y ago
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    - guilamu 2y ago
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      - lynx23 2y ago
        I am done with maniiuplative out-of-context quotes, like the other one about "you will not have to vote again". I've seen too much outright deception from the left, which were supposed to be the good guys, I am done.
        guilamu 2y ago
        There was no deception. He said those words exactly: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/30/donald-trump-wont-have-to-vote-anymore-fox-interview https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/30/dona... Days later, he explained them. Knowing him, he could have meant them literally. He said he did not. Again, after the fact and after the global uproar. Those are the facts.
        lynx23 2y ago
        I no longer care. I cought the left lying to me too often in the last 4 years. I am done. All I want is maximum distance to all of that.
        stouset 2y ago
        I genuinely struggle to understand a mindset that is done with “the left” having lied to them but which remains wholly unconcerned by the unending torrent of lies coming directly from the mouth of our President elect. Up to and including lies about his election defeat which resulted in supporters literally storming the Capitol to overturn those election results.
        consteval 2y ago
        They both simultaneously support Trump as a monarch, elected by God himself, and consider him a bumbling fool prone to lying, and as such never to be listened to. If I wanted to find the best evidence of Trump's deception, I wouldn't ask democrats, I'd ask his supporters. But they are not ashamed, they actually adore his deception and use it as a tool to dodge accountability. It's bizarre, almost a type of political self-hatred or shame.
    - EasyMark 2y ago
      If you get on twitter tell me the ratio of death threats coming from the left vs coming from the right; or basically any social media. Certainly both sides are doing it but it was far more common from the right. Far far more. I do not rule out the possibility of Russian/CCP bots being the majority of that though
  - EasyMark 2y ago
    It wasn’t casual, we meant it in the form of Trump becoming a despot, it’s yet to be proven that we’re wrong or right, but we’ll know in 0.2 to 4 years.
    - refurb 2y ago
      There are far better word choices that could have been made that would have gotten the point across without the hyperbolic language.
      - EasyMark 2y ago
        It's not hyperbolic if you believe it, and I do believe he told us exactly what he wanted to do in many different ways and acts. That's all I'll say here, I believe my own words, and from my perspective they weren't hyperbolic.
        refurb 2y ago
        That's fine and you're entitled to your opinion, but using the word "Hitler" is going to be hyperbolic in all situations.
- rendall 2y ago
  Agreed. He should not be AG. If he is appointed, I predict he will flame out quickly and be replaced.
  - bsder 2y ago
    Why will he flame out? A full third of the US are just fine with him and his ilk. And another third of the US are perfectly willing to stand and watch while he puts people to the torch.
    - rendall 2y ago
      James Watt was Ronald Reagan's Secretary of the Interior 1981-1983. The political climate was similar: conservative Washington Outsiders considered to be barbarians in the gate by the political establishment. Watt pushed hard for resource development on public lands, which was an outrageously outré position at the time, with anger about it stoked by the media in a very similar way as today. As a public figure he was not charismatic. His public career ended when he said his advisory panel was diverse because it had "a black, a woman, two Jews, and a cripple." It was intended to be an ironic joke, but Americans don't like that kind of joking around, not by public figures. Despite Reagan having a similar upset victory and clear mandate, he was eventually forced to let Watt go. So I don't think someone who is joking (or not) about dragging American bodies through the streets is going to last very long.
      - actionfromafar 2y ago
        I wasn't around in 1981 so can't really compare, but many of the People seem to like these jokes now.
        rendall 2y ago
        Not sure why it's necessary to mention you weren't around in 1981. I wasn't around when lots of things happened, but I don't feel it necessary to mention it every time something before I existed is brought up.
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InsideOutSanta 2y ago
It's just a metaphor. Unless...? This stuff is how the Overton Window moves. It starts out as jokes and metaphors, and once people are used to hearing it, it starts to become real.

stouset 2y ago

Maybe people who expect to have the power to absolutely destroy people’s lives should speak soberly and with clear intent instead of hyperbolically when referring to exactly how excited they are to destroy people’s lives.

refurb 2y ago
Considering how freely “Hitler” was casually thrown about during the election, I think we’re well past that point.
- lynx23 2y ago
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  - guilamu 2y ago
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    - lynx23 2y ago
      I am done with maniiuplative out-of-context quotes, like the other one about "you will not have to vote again". I've seen too much outright deception from the left, which were supposed to be the good guys, I am done.
      - guilamu 2y ago
        There was no deception. He said those words exactly: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/30/donald-trump-wont-have-to-vote-anymore-fox-interview https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/30/dona... Days later, he explained them. Knowing him, he could have meant them literally. He said he did not. Again, after the fact and after the global uproar. Those are the facts.
        lynx23 2y ago
        I no longer care. I cought the left lying to me too often in the last 4 years. I am done. All I want is maximum distance to all of that.
        stouset 2y ago
        I genuinely struggle to understand a mindset that is done with “the left” having lied to them but which remains wholly unconcerned by the unending torrent of lies coming directly from the mouth of our President elect. Up to and including lies about his election defeat which resulted in supporters literally storming the Capitol to overturn those election results.
        consteval 2y ago
        They both simultaneously support Trump as a monarch, elected by God himself, and consider him a bumbling fool prone to lying, and as such never to be listened to. If I wanted to find the best evidence of Trump's deception, I wouldn't ask democrats, I'd ask his supporters. But they are not ashamed, they actually adore his deception and use it as a tool to dodge accountability. It's bizarre, almost a type of political self-hatred or shame.
  - EasyMark 2y ago
    If you get on twitter tell me the ratio of death threats coming from the left vs coming from the right; or basically any social media. Certainly both sides are doing it but it was far more common from the right. Far far more. I do not rule out the possibility of Russian/CCP bots being the majority of that though
- EasyMark 2y ago
  It wasn’t casual, we meant it in the form of Trump becoming a despot, it’s yet to be proven that we’re wrong or right, but we’ll know in 0.2 to 4 years.
  - refurb 2y ago
    There are far better word choices that could have been made that would have gotten the point across without the hyperbolic language.
    - EasyMark 2y ago
      It's not hyperbolic if you believe it, and I do believe he told us exactly what he wanted to do in many different ways and acts. That's all I'll say here, I believe my own words, and from my perspective they weren't hyperbolic.
      - refurb 2y ago
        That's fine and you're entitled to your opinion, but using the word "Hitler" is going to be hyperbolic in all situations.
rendall 2y ago
Agreed. He should not be AG. If he is appointed, I predict he will flame out quickly and be replaced.
- bsder 2y ago
  Why will he flame out? A full third of the US are just fine with him and his ilk. And another third of the US are perfectly willing to stand and watch while he puts people to the torch.
  - rendall 2y ago
    James Watt was Ronald Reagan's Secretary of the Interior 1981-1983. The political climate was similar: conservative Washington Outsiders considered to be barbarians in the gate by the political establishment. Watt pushed hard for resource development on public lands, which was an outrageously outré position at the time, with anger about it stoked by the media in a very similar way as today. As a public figure he was not charismatic. His public career ended when he said his advisory panel was diverse because it had "a black, a woman, two Jews, and a cripple." It was intended to be an ironic joke, but Americans don't like that kind of joking around, not by public figures. Despite Reagan having a similar upset victory and clear mandate, he was eventually forced to let Watt go. So I don't think someone who is joking (or not) about dragging American bodies through the streets is going to last very long.
    - actionfromafar 2y ago
      I wasn't around in 1981 so can't really compare, but many of the People seem to like these jokes now.
      - rendall 2y ago
        Not sure why it's necessary to mention you weren't around in 1981. I wasn't around when lots of things happened, but I don't feel it necessary to mention it every time something before I existed is brought up.
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InsideOutSanta 2y ago

It's just a metaphor. Unless...? This stuff is how the Overton Window moves. It starts out as jokes and metaphors, and once people are used to hearing it, it starts to become real.