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I believe that a total separation of "police" and "military" is necessary for democracy. The military has a job that they need to be good at, but it's not suppr

I believe that a total separation of "police" and "military" is necessary for democracy. The military has a job that they need to be good at, but it's not suppressing domestic protests.

spwa4 2y ago
So what do we do if the police has been defunded to the point that they cannot hope to keep people safe in protests? To save money, plus intentionally, because certain parties thought that the police is the biggest problem to their safety on the streets (which may even have been true for a while, but doesn't seem to be anymore)
- drewcoo 2y ago
  Having been to protests, the police are the threat to the people there. defunding them would improve safety.
- xracy 2y ago
  No one is trying to do this. You're describing a fantasy world. In your head it's a nightmare, because you don't understand how society works.
  - drivingmenuts 2y ago
    Given that we just elected a serial liar, fascist fanboy, convicted rapist and a probable traitor, who can now absolve himself of all crimes, you are way too optimistic. I think we've just turned a corner into a very, very dark place.
    - throwawaymanbot 2y ago
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  - Izkata 2y ago
    For the past several years there was a movement in the US called "Defund The Police" whose whole premise was the police did more harm than good to minority communities.
    - analog31 2y ago
      There was a sentiment that defunding was a last resort for regaining public accountability of the police. It never happened.
      - Izkata 2y ago
        Yes it did: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/10/us/dallas-police-defund.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/10/us/dallas-police-defund.h...
LinuxBender 2y ago
There is a loophole in the US but AFAIK it is not abused. On several occasions I had breakfast with a bunch of "cops" that were actually active duty and reservist army. Their police patches were from all over the US and they wore high rank and high tenure patches on their sleeves. Every year they train as civilian police in the event of a major disaster that requires the federal government - DoD to take control and coordination of the police. This is done in coordination with the police departments their uniforms represent.
throw0101d 2y ago
> I believe that a total separation of "police" and "military" is necessary for democracy. "There's a reason you separate military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state. The other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people." — Commander Adama, Battlestar Galactica * https://www.vox.com/xpress/2014/8/14/6002211/battlestar-galactica-had-the-perfect-argument-for-keeping-police-and https://www.vox.com/xpress/2014/8/14/6002211/battlestar-gala...
throwawaymanbot 2y ago
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I believe that a total separation of "police" and "military" is necessary for democracy. The military has a job that they need to be good at, but it's not suppressing domestic protests.

spwa4 2y ago

So what do we do if the police has been defunded to the point that they cannot hope to keep people safe in protests? To save money, plus intentionally, because certain parties thought that the police is the biggest problem to their safety on the streets (which may even have been true for a while, but doesn't seem to be anymore)

drewcoo 2y ago
Having been to protests, the police are the threat to the people there. defunding them would improve safety.
xracy 2y ago
No one is trying to do this. You're describing a fantasy world. In your head it's a nightmare, because you don't understand how society works.
- drivingmenuts 2y ago
  Given that we just elected a serial liar, fascist fanboy, convicted rapist and a probable traitor, who can now absolve himself of all crimes, you are way too optimistic. I think we've just turned a corner into a very, very dark place.
  - throwawaymanbot 2y ago
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- Izkata 2y ago
  For the past several years there was a movement in the US called "Defund The Police" whose whole premise was the police did more harm than good to minority communities.
  - analog31 2y ago
    There was a sentiment that defunding was a last resort for regaining public accountability of the police. It never happened.
    - Izkata 2y ago
      Yes it did: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/10/us/dallas-police-defund.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/10/us/dallas-police-defund.h...

LinuxBender 2y ago

There is a loophole in the US but AFAIK it is not abused. On several occasions I had breakfast with a bunch of "cops" that were actually active duty and reservist army. Their police patches were from all over the US and they wore high rank and high tenure patches on their sleeves. Every year they train as civilian police in the event of a major disaster that requires the federal government - DoD to take control and coordination of the police. This is done in coordination with the police departments their uniforms represent.

throw0101d 2y ago

> I believe that a total separation of "police" and "military" is necessary for democracy. "There's a reason you separate military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state. The other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people." — Commander Adama, Battlestar Galactica * https://www.vox.com/xpress/2014/8/14/6002211/battlestar-galactica-had-the-perfect-argument-for-keeping-police-and https://www.vox.com/xpress/2014/8/14/6002211/battlestar-gala...

throwawaymanbot 2y ago

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