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Butts in seats is a very poor way to get productivity. It is, however, management enforced. Management only pretends to care about productivity. Until manageria

Butts in seats is a very poor way to get productivity. It is, however, management enforced. Management only pretends to care about productivity. Until managerial ideology shifts we'll never bother. I think countries beyond the US have a much better prospect of doing this.

sneak 2y ago
Quite the opposite. The US has the strongest startup culture in the world; new companies with new founders are definitionally the places where new concepts are first implemented and tried.
wongogue 2y ago
Europe might be better but the eastern hemisphere (India, China, Japan) is worse.
safety1st 2y ago
People need to stop expecting their employer to solve this problem, because they won't. They're not responsible for making you exercise. The most efficient way to incorporate exercise into your day is to make it part of your commute. Walking, biking, taking the train etc. - different modes are viable for different locations. If you choose a job where this is not possible, you're just going to have to make it up some other way - two hours per week in a gym goes farther than most people think if you spend that time well. In many cases at least one of these options is available to people but instead of taking it they whine that the job itself is too sedentary. I don't have a lot of sympathy, there are far worse jobs for the body than sitting in a chair (or standing stationary, your choice!) all day. If truly none of these options are available to you in your current job - find a new one if you value your health. So many people have chosen a job for the money or prestige and just ignored this element completely. Those are unhappy people on account of their own choice.
- jltsiren 2y ago
  This is not about exercise. Extended periods of inactivity are bad for your health, even if you are physically active. If the nature of your job is sedentary, you should interrupt the inactivity often enough. This is something all employers should accommodate. Either voluntarily, due to market pressure, or by regulation if more reasonable approaches fail.
  - michaelt 2y ago
    Every employer I've ever had, even doing factory and warehouse work, has split the day into circa-2-hour blocks, with a morning break, a lunch break and an afternoon break. When folks are working a production line the bosses have to coordinate it - but in an office there's more flexibility. And if someone in an office wants to skip their breaks to leave early, or have a larger number of shorter breaks, they generally have that freedom. Is this not the case everywhere?
    - deprecative 2y ago
      Most people don't get meaningful breaks.
- deprecative 2y ago
  Atomic solutions to systemic problems obfuscate the core issue. Butt in seats in the US means you sit for about an hour to go to work then eight to nine at the office and another hour back home. Most people can't change their commute. Pedestrian infrastructure is simply not there. Public transit doesn't exist in most places. Your option is to drive or drive or drive. Get a new job that will require you to be in your chair in an office just like the last one. In many cases... Nope. Get out of your bubble.

sneak 2y ago

Quite the opposite. The US has the strongest startup culture in the world; new companies with new founders are definitionally the places where new concepts are first implemented and tried.

wongogue 2y ago

Europe might be better but the eastern hemisphere (India, China, Japan) is worse.

safety1st 2y ago

People need to stop expecting their employer to solve this problem, because they won't. They're not responsible for making you exercise. The most efficient way to incorporate exercise into your day is to make it part of your commute. Walking, biking, taking the train etc. - different modes are viable for different locations. If you choose a job where this is not possible, you're just going to have to make it up some other way - two hours per week in a gym goes farther than most people think if you spend that time well. In many cases at least one of these options is available to people but instead of taking it they whine that the job itself is too sedentary. I don't have a lot of sympathy, there are far worse jobs for the body than sitting in a chair (or standing stationary, your choice!) all day. If truly none of these options are available to you in your current job - find a new one if you value your health. So many people have chosen a job for the money or prestige and just ignored this element completely. Those are unhappy people on account of their own choice.

jltsiren 2y ago
This is not about exercise. Extended periods of inactivity are bad for your health, even if you are physically active. If the nature of your job is sedentary, you should interrupt the inactivity often enough. This is something all employers should accommodate. Either voluntarily, due to market pressure, or by regulation if more reasonable approaches fail.
- michaelt 2y ago
  Every employer I've ever had, even doing factory and warehouse work, has split the day into circa-2-hour blocks, with a morning break, a lunch break and an afternoon break. When folks are working a production line the bosses have to coordinate it - but in an office there's more flexibility. And if someone in an office wants to skip their breaks to leave early, or have a larger number of shorter breaks, they generally have that freedom. Is this not the case everywhere?
  - deprecative 2y ago
    Most people don't get meaningful breaks.
deprecative 2y ago
Atomic solutions to systemic problems obfuscate the core issue. Butt in seats in the US means you sit for about an hour to go to work then eight to nine at the office and another hour back home. Most people can't change their commute. Pedestrian infrastructure is simply not there. Public transit doesn't exist in most places. Your option is to drive or drive or drive. Get a new job that will require you to be in your chair in an office just like the last one. In many cases... Nope. Get out of your bubble.