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CA also has the highest real poverty rate in the country (SPM) I think GP's point about funding public transit is reasonable - a huge chunk of Californians can
by dmoy 2y ago
CA also has the highest real poverty rate in the country (SPM)
I think GP's point about funding public transit is reasonable - a huge chunk of Californians can't afford an EV right now given that the cheapest one on the market is like a good $10k more expensive than the cheapest gas sedans.
- dangus 2y agoI found: 2023 Chevy Bolt EV, 37,000 miles, $15,600 in LA. Or, a 2020 with 27,000 miles for $13,500. 2021 Tesla Model 3, 24,000 miles, $22,000 2022 Kia Niro EV, 21,000 miles, $18,400 2020 Tesla Model Y, 48,000 miles, $26,800 Gasoline cars to compare: 2020 Toyota Corolla, 66,000 miles, $17,800 2020 Honda CR-V, 44,000 miles, $23,800 2021 Nissan Sentra, 41,000 miles, $16,500 It seems to me that EVs depreciate so much faster than gasoline cars that they're almost always cheaper with lower miles than an equivalent gasoline car. The only strong exception seems to be the Tesla Model Y. Anyway, I agree that California especially needs to greatly expand public transit. But I think it's notable that at this point cost isn't really a major negative to EV ownership.
- riku_iki 2y ago> that EVs depreciate so much faster than gasoline cars I think those older EVs have short impractical range, that's why they are cheap?
- dangus 2y agoEverything on this list is 200 miles or higher.
- dzhiurgis 2y ago300-400km range is impractical?
- riku_iki 2y agoIts max advertised range. In reality it will likely be smaller depending on driving habits/weather/ac, it is hard to charge EV battery to 100% if you on the move, you don't want charge to drop to 0% obviously, so you will be charging sooner. I do not own EV, but people have range anxiety on reddit.
- dzhiurgis 2y agoNah this is it’s real range. 300 km highway, 400+ city. Where I live there’s a charge station every 50km. Of course it’s harder in US.
- riku_iki 2y ago> Where I live there’s a charge station every 50km. yes, but it will charge fast up to 80%, and will charge slow after that, so it is question of how much time you waste.
- dzhiurgis 2y agoCharges plenty fast after that. I normally don’t even have enough time to eat.
- dangus 2y agoYou never need to nor should you charge above 80% on an EV unless you have a driving situation where you absolutely need that range to hit the next charging station. It's faster to just charge multiple times rather than spend time charging above 80%.
- riku_iki 2y ago> where you absolutely need that range to hit the next charging station. Yes, I think range concerns are mostly about long road trips.
- dangus 2y agoMy theory is people who don't have EVs have range anxiety. Sometimes it seems like people forget just how far 100+ miles is. Okay, sure, an EV with 230 miles of ideal range is really more like 150-180 miles given that you're not charging up past 80% regularly and given not-always-ideal conditions. But that's a lot of miles. That could be 3 straight hours of highway driving. I know for me, personally, with my gasoline car I can count on one hand the number of times I've driven more than 3 hours in one day in the past year.
- johnnyanmac 2y agoI think you need to re-evaluate what the poverty line is. Forget cars, most people at that level don't have housing.
- dangus 2y agoI’m not sure what that has to do with this discussion, though. Someone who can’t afford a car at all and takes the bus isn’t affected by gas prices, and raising/lowering gas prices won’t help them afford a car significantly more easily. Gasoline is essentially the smallest cost related to vehicle ownership.