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Its cool that so many people are blaming immigrants and foreign policy and border policy instead of the lack of accessibility to healthcare and affordable treat

Its cool that so many people are blaming immigrants and foreign policy and border policy instead of the lack of accessibility to healthcare and affordable treatments or accessibility to preventative care. We truly are in the fuck you and it’s your fault I don’t have mine era.

readthenotes1 2y ago
https://www.newsweek.com/illegal-immigrant-tuberculosis-louisiana-lawsuit-ice-1973916 https://www.newsweek.com/illegal-immigrant-tuberculosis-loui... It's easier to blame people for being incredibly irresponsible when we have an example of them doing so.
simonsarris 2y ago
The US spends more on public healthcare per capita than any nation on the planet. (We also spend a lot more privately). I think this is a very and incorrect point of blame that has no basis in reality.
- bestouff 2y ago
  Are you sure the US isn't just spending a lot on a private healthcare predatory system, not healthcare per se ?
- maxerickson 2y ago
  Your "this" is obscure. Do you mean it to address the parent's comment about affordable treatments?
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lottin 2y ago
The US taxpayer should not be paying for immigrants' healthcare expenses.
- saturn_vk 2y ago
  This is a dumb statement. Immigrants pay taxes as well
  - lottin 2y ago
    No immigrant who turns up at the US border has paid any taxes or contributed anything to US society. It's ridiculous to suggest otherwise. Anyway, that wasn't the point. The point is that if you enter a foreign country it's your responsibility not to bring any diseases with you.
    - saturn_vk 2y ago
      > No immigrant who turns up at the US border has paid any taxes or contributed anything to US society. It's ridiculous to suggest otherwise. Are you trying to tell me that until someone becomes a citizen in the US, they pay no taxes whatsoever? I find that hard to believe.
      - lottin 2y ago
        > Are you trying to tell me that until someone becomes a citizen in the US, they pay no taxes whatsoever? No, that's not what I'm saying.
    - trog 2y ago
      > No immigrant who turns up at the US border has paid any taxes or contributed anything to US society. It's ridiculous to suggest otherwise. Anyway, that wasn't the point. The point is that if you enter a foreign country it's your responsibility not to bring any diseases with you. This is so laughably silly I don't even know where to begin. First of all, I was a temporary immigrant to the US and I immediately was on the hook for a bunch of money as part of my visa application process. So immediately I'd argue your first point is incorrect on that technicality anyway, not to mention I was basically moving to the US to start a business so then spent the next two years dumping money into the economy. What is your expectation of responsibility here? You can be sick and not know you're sick. You can be sick and asymptomatic. You can be sick and think you're sick with something basic like a cold but it's actually the flu or COVID or something else more sinister. Pretending that anyone is going to adhere to an undefined system of responsibility at the best of times, let alone when it comes to moving overseas into a different country, seems ludicrous to me - I'm supposed to cancel might flight and re-arrange my immigration plans because I have a runny nose? If you want to have a healthy country you need publicly accessible healthcare for everyone. We literally just had an object lesson in this with the COVID pandemic - indeed, we're still in the middle of the object lesson, where people's sense of "responsibility" towards others when it comes to communicable diseases is visible everywhere you look.
kurthr 2y ago
Us natural born citizens need the freedom to spread TB, if we want to! https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/washington-woman-tuberculosis-treatment-court-orders-rcna69090 https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/washington-woman-...
drewcoo 2y ago
> We truly are in the fuck you and it’s your fault I don’t have mine era Yes, but please don't blame people for feeling that way. People don't feel safe. When people are insecure, they look to authoritarians for simple solutions. And both major political parties are happy to oblige. When people are secure, they can care more about other people and issues beyond themselves. But they have to feel safe first. Unfortunately, lack of safety is something people can campaign on and campaigning on "things are good enough already" just never works - even when it's true. We are in an era where we keep giving up more and more of our civil rights for a promised safety that is never delivered.
sebazzz 2y ago
Lately, I often think about that drawing where three people are at a table. A blue-collar worker (mine worker or construction worker), a black sad looking black person (immigrant), and a rich guy in suit. The blue collar worker has a single cookie on his plate, the immigrant no cookies at all, and the rich guy a plate full of cookies. The rich guy with his plate full of cookies, looking at the worker, points to the immigrant. “He wants your cookie”.

readthenotes1 2y ago

https://www.newsweek.com/illegal-immigrant-tuberculosis-louisiana-lawsuit-ice-1973916 https://www.newsweek.com/illegal-immigrant-tuberculosis-loui... It's easier to blame people for being incredibly irresponsible when we have an example of them doing so.

simonsarris 2y ago

The US spends more on public healthcare per capita than any nation on the planet. (We also spend a lot more privately). I think this is a very and incorrect point of blame that has no basis in reality.

bestouff 2y ago
Are you sure the US isn't just spending a lot on a private healthcare predatory system, not healthcare per se ?
maxerickson 2y ago
Your "this" is obscure. Do you mean it to address the parent's comment about affordable treatments?

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lottin 2y ago

The US taxpayer should not be paying for immigrants' healthcare expenses.

saturn_vk 2y ago
This is a dumb statement. Immigrants pay taxes as well
- lottin 2y ago
  No immigrant who turns up at the US border has paid any taxes or contributed anything to US society. It's ridiculous to suggest otherwise. Anyway, that wasn't the point. The point is that if you enter a foreign country it's your responsibility not to bring any diseases with you.
  - saturn_vk 2y ago
    > No immigrant who turns up at the US border has paid any taxes or contributed anything to US society. It's ridiculous to suggest otherwise. Are you trying to tell me that until someone becomes a citizen in the US, they pay no taxes whatsoever? I find that hard to believe.
    - lottin 2y ago
      > Are you trying to tell me that until someone becomes a citizen in the US, they pay no taxes whatsoever? No, that's not what I'm saying.
  - trog 2y ago
    > No immigrant who turns up at the US border has paid any taxes or contributed anything to US society. It's ridiculous to suggest otherwise. Anyway, that wasn't the point. The point is that if you enter a foreign country it's your responsibility not to bring any diseases with you. This is so laughably silly I don't even know where to begin. First of all, I was a temporary immigrant to the US and I immediately was on the hook for a bunch of money as part of my visa application process. So immediately I'd argue your first point is incorrect on that technicality anyway, not to mention I was basically moving to the US to start a business so then spent the next two years dumping money into the economy. What is your expectation of responsibility here? You can be sick and not know you're sick. You can be sick and asymptomatic. You can be sick and think you're sick with something basic like a cold but it's actually the flu or COVID or something else more sinister. Pretending that anyone is going to adhere to an undefined system of responsibility at the best of times, let alone when it comes to moving overseas into a different country, seems ludicrous to me - I'm supposed to cancel might flight and re-arrange my immigration plans because I have a runny nose? If you want to have a healthy country you need publicly accessible healthcare for everyone. We literally just had an object lesson in this with the COVID pandemic - indeed, we're still in the middle of the object lesson, where people's sense of "responsibility" towards others when it comes to communicable diseases is visible everywhere you look.

kurthr 2y ago

Us natural born citizens need the freedom to spread TB, if we want to! https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/washington-woman-tuberculosis-treatment-court-orders-rcna69090 https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/washington-woman-...

drewcoo 2y ago

> We truly are in the fuck you and it’s your fault I don’t have mine era Yes, but please don't blame people for feeling that way. People don't feel safe. When people are insecure, they look to authoritarians for simple solutions. And both major political parties are happy to oblige. When people are secure, they can care more about other people and issues beyond themselves. But they have to feel safe first. Unfortunately, lack of safety is something people can campaign on and campaigning on "things are good enough already" just never works - even when it's true. We are in an era where we keep giving up more and more of our civil rights for a promised safety that is never delivered.

sebazzz 2y ago

Lately, I often think about that drawing where three people are at a table. A blue-collar worker (mine worker or construction worker), a black sad looking black person (immigrant), and a rich guy in suit. The blue collar worker has a single cookie on his plate, the immigrant no cookies at all, and the rich guy a plate full of cookies. The rich guy with his plate full of cookies, looking at the worker, points to the immigrant. “He wants your cookie”.