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Not necessarily supporting big publishers, but why someone cannot prevent other mechanisms (aI being one) to extract their content for free? BTW, modern does n

Not necessarily supporting big publishers, but why someone cannot prevent other mechanisms (aI being one) to extract their content for free? BTW, modern does not necessarily mean it is the correct thing to do.

dartharva 2y ago
When you read a book, have you violated the author's IP right by retaining the content in your brain and possibly discussing it with others without the publisher's consent? Similarly, when I use a local LLM as an extension to my brain by having it process my library using RAG for quick searches and Q&As at a personal level, am I violating it? Similarly, when my library or university uses it for educational purposes (which literally falls under fair use in most countries where IP law is not a joke)? And by extension, if a private entity does it with an aim of creating an intelligent public chatbot, as long as it does not monetize by reproducing the author's original content verbatim? You cannot blurt out such random appeals like asking courts to criminalize training data. Not only is it unfathomably stupid, it is also impossible to enforce. All you'll be doing is cripple your local technological innovation and hand over the edge in something as critical as AI to competing countries in a platter.
- hulitu 2y ago
  > When you read a book, have you violated the author's IP right by retaining the content in your brain and possibly discussing it with others without the publisher's consent? When you write this on your new book it it called citation and there are some rules that you should follow so that you are not against the law. Why are a lot of US companies trying to avoid the law lately ? (Uber, AirBNB, OpenAI)
  - musicale 2y ago
    > Why are a lot of US companies trying to avoid the law lately ? (Uber, AirBNB, OpenAI) Evading regulation is profitable. It's even better when your competitors are carefully regulated. It's part of the business strategy of "regulatory entrepreneurship". Sometimes they can get away with it for a long time, and sometimes they can even change the law.
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  - dartharva 2y ago
    > Why are a lot of US companies trying to avoid the law lately ? (Uber, AirBNB, OpenAI) What did they do that violates what you mention in your comment?
- up2isomorphism 2y ago
  You buy books, And you quote the book and also give credit to the author if you use the presentation in the book in your publication. It does not make it automatically right not to do anything these things if you just grab the other people's creation for N times and combining the N results to "form" a new one with some linear algebra procedure, particularly when you also use such synthetic output for a profit. (which is what OpenAI and other companies do).
  - dartharva 2y ago
    This is completely incorrect. Just as the other comment says, ideas are not copyrightable, only their expression is. Your comment shows a very fundamental lack of understanding of the systems in place.
  - rileymat2 2y ago
    Facts about a book have never been copyrightable, for instance the odds of one word following another. Facts in a book like a cook book recipe are also not generally copyrightable either. By convention we try not to rip them off but it does not come from copyright.

dartharva 2y ago

When you read a book, have you violated the author's IP right by retaining the content in your brain and possibly discussing it with others without the publisher's consent? Similarly, when I use a local LLM as an extension to my brain by having it process my library using RAG for quick searches and Q&As at a personal level, am I violating it? Similarly, when my library or university uses it for educational purposes (which literally falls under fair use in most countries where IP law is not a joke)? And by extension, if a private entity does it with an aim of creating an intelligent public chatbot, as long as it does not monetize by reproducing the author's original content verbatim? You cannot blurt out such random appeals like asking courts to criminalize training data. Not only is it unfathomably stupid, it is also impossible to enforce. All you'll be doing is cripple your local technological innovation and hand over the edge in something as critical as AI to competing countries in a platter.

hulitu 2y ago
> When you read a book, have you violated the author's IP right by retaining the content in your brain and possibly discussing it with others without the publisher's consent? When you write this on your new book it it called citation and there are some rules that you should follow so that you are not against the law. Why are a lot of US companies trying to avoid the law lately ? (Uber, AirBNB, OpenAI)
- musicale 2y ago
  > Why are a lot of US companies trying to avoid the law lately ? (Uber, AirBNB, OpenAI) Evading regulation is profitable. It's even better when your competitors are carefully regulated. It's part of the business strategy of "regulatory entrepreneurship". Sometimes they can get away with it for a long time, and sometimes they can even change the law.
- deleted 2y ago
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- dartharva 2y ago
  > Why are a lot of US companies trying to avoid the law lately ? (Uber, AirBNB, OpenAI) What did they do that violates what you mention in your comment?
up2isomorphism 2y ago
You buy books, And you quote the book and also give credit to the author if you use the presentation in the book in your publication. It does not make it automatically right not to do anything these things if you just grab the other people's creation for N times and combining the N results to "form" a new one with some linear algebra procedure, particularly when you also use such synthetic output for a profit. (which is what OpenAI and other companies do).
- dartharva 2y ago
  This is completely incorrect. Just as the other comment says, ideas are not copyrightable, only their expression is. Your comment shows a very fundamental lack of understanding of the systems in place.
- rileymat2 2y ago
  Facts about a book have never been copyrightable, for instance the odds of one word following another. Facts in a book like a cook book recipe are also not generally copyrightable either. By convention we try not to rip them off but it does not come from copyright.