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most people ignore wwii was decided on baku. it was the reason for Barbarossa, the first Germany defeat, and it was the only way Germany could replenish the o
by 1oooqooq 2y ago
most people ignore wwii was decided on baku.
it was the reason for Barbarossa, the first Germany defeat, and it was the only way Germany could replenish the oil used on the Russian offensive, which forced them to squeeze the polish camps dry. they lost it one baku.
it was also where most modern billionaires made their fortune.
- Arainach 2y ago>was also where most modern billionaires made their fortune Could you explain this claim?
- palmfacehn 2y agoThe Baku oil fields were capitalized by the Rothschild banking dynasty, which was already immensely wealthy before the oil age. Perhaps others will weigh in, but as I recall this was in response to the fabulous wealth Rockefeller was realizing in the United States. Petroleum had always been present around Baku and elsewhere, but it hadn't been exploited on the same industrial scale. It was sometimes regarded as an inconvenience which devalued land.
- kjellsbells 2y agoExactly so. A really good, very readable book on this and oil in general is Daniel Yergin's The Prize.
- mistrial9 2y agoyes agree that is an enjoyable and informative read..
- Arainach 2y agoSure - I don't doubt that Baku made some people fabulously rich, I'm more curious about "most modern billionaires", specifically "most". I'm not even convinced that most modern billionaires made their billions through petroleum, much less Baku.
- palmfacehn 2y agoNot sure what that poster meant by that. In this case, the Rothschilds were already a powerful European banking dynasty. There are many shadowy speculations about the different branches of this family. Perhaps this is where the confusion originates. The Nobel family did better relative to their previous station. In the end the Baku concerns were sold to Rockefeller before being nationalized after the Russian Revolution.
- 1oooqooq 2y agoi think you're making the common meaning mistake between modern and current times when in a history discussion context.
- 1oooqooq 2y agothats and the Nobels are the more public ones. there's also billionaires from the astrian dynasties all over baku. also stalin journalism career took off there.
- kaonwarb 2y agoI suspect the intended context is most Russian billionaires.
- Aspos 2y agoNobel (the Nobel prize guy) made his fortune in Baku, IMSMR
- anonymousDan 2y agoI thought he made his fortune from TNT and then founded the Nobel prize out of guilt?
- Aspos 2y agoI believe that's where he invented it
- ablation 2y agoNobel didn’t invent TNT. That was invented by Wilbrand. Nobel invented dynamite. Both were invented in Germany.
- mometsi 2y agoHe (Alfred) was well-known for explosives but most of his money came from his shares in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Branobel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Branobel, run by his brothers.
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- UltraSane 2y agoRussia blew up the pipeline. What is your preferred outcome to the Russian invasion of Ukraine?
- vkou 2y agoStrange that the pipeline (whose existence has been a major problem to both the US and a number of EE nations) happens to blow up, after Biden delivers a little speech on it: > If Russia invades (Ukraine) ... again, there will no longer be a Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it And when pressed for more information on this rather ominous statement, refused to elaborate. Its always odd when the 'it would be a shame if anything happened to it' establishment actually burns down. Even odder when the person the German investigation claims to be responsible did the sabotage out of Poland, and then fled to Ukraine. With no support from the authorities of either nation, of course, despite both of them having Cheshiric grins over the sabotage. I suppose it's very fortunate that Russia bent over backwards to do Biden, Zelensky, and Poland such a favor.
- Sakos 2y agoAs a German who has been horrified by Germany's reluctance to oppose Russia for over a decade now, good riddance to NS2.
- vkou 2y agoYou can be pleased at this while assigning responsibility to the responsible party.
- bitcurious 2y agoAmerican media coalesced on it being a Ukrainian intelligence operation. https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/nord-stream-pipeline-explosion-real-story-da24839c https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/nord-stream-pipeline-explos...
- frenchy 2y ago> the first Germany defeat Assuming you're talking about stategic defeats, I'm pretty sure the Battle of Britain was earlier. Possibbly North Africa too, but that's more debatable.