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> Your desire to want to pay someone to do work does not surpass their religious convictions to not do it. My "idealism" is really pragmatism. How is this prag
by consteval 2y ago
> Your desire to want to pay someone to do work does not surpass their religious convictions to not do it. My "idealism" is really pragmatism.
How is this pragmatic? In all my real-world experience, money trumps all. It's trivial to pay religious people to say things they don't really believe. Pastors do it all the time, with no pressure from others.
In the real world, this is how things work. Yes it sucks and yes I wish people had more conviction. People are weak in this money driven world and I can't necessarily blame them.
> Have you read anything that liberals put out? It's some of the most profane stuff out there. They overused profanity to the point that it doesn't have any punch anymore, while choosing to get butthurt about all kinds of other harmless words so they can get clout.
I just don't think this is true at all. If you look at the democratic candidates, they were very well spoken and respectful. IMO, to their detriment. They should've been more rude, and that cost them from a populist perspective.
> As with any crowd, there are smart ones and dumb ones
It's not a matter of smart or dumb. I believe Trump is a smart person, I also believe Elon is a smart person. But in their populist endeavors, they say MANY reprehensible things.
For example, can they address immigration without racism? Certainly it's possible, but they haven't.
These aren't randos online, these are the face of the republican party and the future president. Sure, you can find dumb liberals. But does Kamala use slurs or question how black someone is? No. That's the difference. The example republicans have is a very poor one.
> He talks about some women like they're dogs, because they stabbed him in the back
Okay? This changes nothing. If your boss is rude to you and you call her a whore, you're getting fired. End of, have a nice chat with HR. This is what conservatives don't understand. You don't get a free pass to say whatever vile shit you like just because you think it's justified. That's why you get "censored".
- wakawaka28 2y ago>How is this pragmatic? In all my real-world experience, money trumps all. It's trivial to pay religious people to say things they don't really believe. Pastors do it all the time, with no pressure from others. The original argument was about forcing someone to make a cake that offends their religious beliefs, and you're bringing in cases of people voluntarily saying things for money. Again, nobody should be able to compel you to do an act of speech (for money or otherwise) under some pretense of civil rights or their own free speech. >If you look at the democratic candidates, they were very well spoken and respectful. IMO, to their detriment. They should've been more rude, and that cost them from a populist perspective. You mean like when they called Trump's supporters "garbage", "Nazi", "racist", "Russian spies", "insurrectionists", and called for violence and cancel culture against them, etc.? Being rude to even moderate people is what really cost the left from a populist perspective. I had a girlfriend break up with me because she suspected I might be a Trump supporter, despite me insisting the opposite (which was true at the time). A lot of people are sick of being demonized because they're normal and not down with "trans children" or whatever other insane ideology the left has taken up. The left routinely applies every nasty label to their critics. Got a problem with high inflation caused by current administration policies? What are you, a Trump supporter? Then you must necessarily be every -ist and -phobe they can think of, and many of them will hate your guts from then on. Have you been censored for saying completely normal things online? For valuing second amendment rights? For wanting your kids to not be indoctrinated into various ideologies in school? Oh you must be a Trump supporter, and you deserve everything you got coming for that. This is how these "polite" leftists act. These people need to learn a lesson, not to mess with people like that. >For example, can they address immigration without racism? Certainly it's possible, but they haven't. The Democrats are the ones bringing race into this and denying that there is even a problem. They desperately want to flood the country with migrants because they think it favors their party, and also because various billionaires want us distracted from what they are doing to our government. >But does Kamala use slurs or question how black someone is? She denied being black for years, then flipped the script. They even changed the way her name was pronounced to make her sound more "black". Trump said very politely that he did not care about her race, he cared about lying. What more do you want. I've never heard him use a slur against any race. Liberals of all standing often call him a Nazi. What kind of example does that set? >This changes nothing. If your boss is rude to you and you call her a whore, you're getting fired. End of, have a nice chat with HR. This is what conservatives don't understand. No, conservatives understand very well and usually have to deny being conservative. Many have been fired or blocked from promotion for espousing even moderate conservative ideas politely. Leftists haven't been afraid of that kind of crap in at least 20 years, in my opinion. I remember when they were all on board with pretending to be Christian to get by, and I don't want to go back to that. I'm not talking about merely being censored for rude comments. Again, the constitution protects rude speech, so that is irrelevant to censorship. So-called "misinformation" has been routinely censored on social media. We cannot have a free society when you can't do simple stuff like sharing news stories about presidential candidates or anything else of public interest online. Wanna know why some Republicans are so angry and rude? Because moralizing lunatics have been attacking them for years! I don't want our political discourse to be lowered any more, but the maniacs who want to censor everybody have to be dealt with swiftly and soundly.
- consteval 2y ago> You mean like when they called... Kamala said none of this and was repeatedly way too nice to Trump. In addition, some of this is just factual. Trump has said racist things. Trump supporters did attempt an insurrection. Trump supporters have used violence. Those aren't up for debate, so don't attempt to try, because I really don't care for alternative facts. > Then you must necessarily be every -ist and -phobe they can think of, and many of them will hate your guts from then on. When Trump is questioning how black people are and the right is running ads depicting trans women as burly men who beat up little girls (yes, real), it's hard not to see where the "ist and -phobe" comes from. Conservatives often get very offended when you repeat policy and political speech their representatives have said back to them. It's incredibly strange to me, I've never seen such an overwhelming amount of personal shame in a population. It's difficult to claim you're not transphobic when you vote for the people proposing anti-trans legislation. Actions speak much louder than words, and conservatives are already pretty bad at the words part. When your representatives aren't saying something racist or transphobic, they're passing laws with that ideology. Which... is worse. If that offends you, feel free not to vote for them. But voting for them and then crying when someone simply tells you their policy or literally quotes them is nothing short of pathetic. If you don't agree with the things Trump has said, then don't put him on your ballot. > She denied being black for years, then flipped the script This isn't true, and I'm not gonna sit here and debate how black Kamala is. This is one of the stupidest points the conservatives have brought up. She's always been biracial, end of. Even humoring this line of thinking displays some amount of racist rhetoric. There's absolutely zero reason you should be concerned with how black Kamala is. It's weird, it's strange, it's not normal. Please stop. > I don't want our political discourse to be lowered any more How rich. Instead of talking about Trump's absolutely horrible fiscal policy, we're talking about how black Kamala is. But you don't want political discourse to be lowered any further? Give me a break. Modern conservatives couldn't articulate Trump's fiscal policy if their lives depended on it. They couldn't describe how tariffs work if you put a gun to their head. But they can tell you that kids are getting sex changes in the school nurse's office and shitting in litter boxes, and they can sit around all day and debate how black Kamala is. Trump has lowered the political discourse to an almost Neanderthal level. It's truly absurd to me that you can look at the right jumping all-in to identity politics and stuff nobody should care about and then complain about lowering the level of discourse.