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I asked a while back to a NYC city planner the reason they didn't publish station MTA station layouts / exits on gmaps , like you see for example for toyko in g

I asked a while back to a NYC city planner the reason they didn't publish station MTA station layouts / exits on gmaps , like you see for example for toyko in gmaps I was told this was not opened publicly because of terrorist concerns. But if you wanted to get MTA station layouts, it was certainly possible to get them from the city. I guess we have flipped that page!

akira2501 2y ago
> because of terrorist concerns. The New York bureaucracies favorite excuse for not doing work they are responsible for.
- potato3732842 2y ago
  Not sure why this is downvoted? Do people not remember how for ~20yr "terrorism" was habitually used as a justification for "because we don't want to" by every government organization from the MTA to small town parks departments.
  - ryandrake 2y ago
    I was going to say! "Because Terrorism" has been the catch-all vague excuse for limiting access to everything, for decades.
- elegantelefant 2y ago
  Hi I am the creator. My cousin kindly asked his friend who works for the MTA for me, if my project is a problem for them... and the answer was something like "as long as the drawings don't show columns and/or any structural elements they are fine." My drawings are all meant to be diagrams and only show publicly accessible areas anyway. It's not like the terrorists can't go walk around and figure the stations out themselves if they want...
- rangestransform 2y ago
  Just like the excuses for banning photos in PATH
xattt 2y ago
This was also an oft-cited reason why trains with pass-through gangways were not a thing in Toronto for a long time.
- sofixa 2y ago
  So that people couldn't run away from an attacker?
  - xattt 2y ago
    To limit a perpetrator to a single car.
- rangestransform 2y ago
  Open gangways are still detrimental because they make it easier for showtime people to carry speakers and instruments between cars
  - kjkjadksj 2y ago
    They do that with the closed trains by opening the doors you aren’t supposed to open anyhow. And you can’t lock them due to their need in emergencies.
slillibri 2y ago
The truly hilarious thing is that the Tokyo subway system actually suffered a terrorist attack in 95, and still they publish the locations of all 200+ exits from Shinjuku station.
- shiroiushi 2y ago
  That's because US society is absolutely paranoid these days, and has been for the last 23 years. Other countries aren't.
latency-guy2 2y ago
Truly ridiculous to think that a terrorism group is filled with incapable individuals so as to not be able to map out a well traveled and popular location. Stop pretending terrorists are stupid, quite often they're smarter than you, and seeing this as an excuse tells me that bar is not difficult to pass.
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akira2501 2y ago

> because of terrorist concerns. The New York bureaucracies favorite excuse for not doing work they are responsible for.

potato3732842 2y ago
Not sure why this is downvoted? Do people not remember how for ~20yr "terrorism" was habitually used as a justification for "because we don't want to" by every government organization from the MTA to small town parks departments.
- ryandrake 2y ago
  I was going to say! "Because Terrorism" has been the catch-all vague excuse for limiting access to everything, for decades.
elegantelefant 2y ago
Hi I am the creator. My cousin kindly asked his friend who works for the MTA for me, if my project is a problem for them... and the answer was something like "as long as the drawings don't show columns and/or any structural elements they are fine." My drawings are all meant to be diagrams and only show publicly accessible areas anyway. It's not like the terrorists can't go walk around and figure the stations out themselves if they want...
rangestransform 2y ago
Just like the excuses for banning photos in PATH

xattt 2y ago

This was also an oft-cited reason why trains with pass-through gangways were not a thing in Toronto for a long time.

sofixa 2y ago
So that people couldn't run away from an attacker?
- xattt 2y ago
  To limit a perpetrator to a single car.
rangestransform 2y ago
Open gangways are still detrimental because they make it easier for showtime people to carry speakers and instruments between cars
- kjkjadksj 2y ago
  They do that with the closed trains by opening the doors you aren’t supposed to open anyhow. And you can’t lock them due to their need in emergencies.

slillibri 2y ago

The truly hilarious thing is that the Tokyo subway system actually suffered a terrorist attack in 95, and still they publish the locations of all 200+ exits from Shinjuku station.

shiroiushi 2y ago
That's because US society is absolutely paranoid these days, and has been for the last 23 years. Other countries aren't.

latency-guy2 2y ago

Truly ridiculous to think that a terrorism group is filled with incapable individuals so as to not be able to map out a well traveled and popular location. Stop pretending terrorists are stupid, quite often they're smarter than you, and seeing this as an excuse tells me that bar is not difficult to pass.

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