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I think this election signified the death of mainstream media and the rise of independent media. Which is fantastic IMO. You learn more from 10 mins of JRE tha

I think this election signified the death of mainstream media and the rise of independent media. Which is fantastic IMO. You learn more from 10 mins of JRE than you do from 10 months of the same formulaic, tired coverage you get from the MSM.

AtlasBarfed 2y ago
If it gets replaced by Joe Rogan, then no it isn't an improvement. Maybe I qualify that if TV news in its current form gets replaced by Joe Rogan. It is basically a wash. But the death of print media is really an awful awful thing, because that's where the death comes from, that is what is served to be the historical record in recent times. You also gain more misinformation in 10 minutes of Joe Rogan experience than in many other forms. The guy has not met a conspiracy theory that he doesn't love. And he clearly cares above clicks over truth. CNN isn't much better, but they at least have a journalist standard they have to theoretically align to. Now if you're going to call MSNBC and Fox News mainstream media, well that's a big problem.
- inglor_cz 2y ago
  Joe Rogan is not a substitute for news, but he has a knack of "opening up" people he is talking to. In a democracy, voters tend to vote more for people than for policies. (It is less irrational than it looks: personalities don't change much, while policies can be thrown out at a moment's notice, or never taken seriously in the first place.) In that sense, looking deeper into politicians' minds is a valuable service, a counterweight to the usual photo-op game and wide fake smiles shining on billboards.
- superb_dev 2y ago
  Also claiming that Joe Rogan is not mainstream media is asinine. His podcast is one of the most popular in the US
  - lazyeye 2y ago
    There is a reason Joe Rogan is popular. He is smart, open-minded, curious and gets a diverse range of people (actual diversity of thought!) on a wide range of topics. Compare this to the NPC drones in corporate media pushing out the same tired dogma, day after day, after day. They provide about 10% actual news and the rest is ideological framing. The corporate media serves very little useful purpose any more and I won't miss them when they are gone.
    - AtlasBarfed 2y ago
      Can you give me some clips of Joe Rogan actually being smart? Because I haven't seen him elucidate anything in interviews that isn't a wikipedia page or high level google search away. Now, don't get me wrong, that is a lot better than the flotsam out there, and admittedly it is even better than the paper thin bullshit CNN and the like trot out, but it isn't smart. It's more not-stupid. If you have clips that will change my mind, I'll happily watch, and try to get over my Dana White hatred spillover bias.
- lazyeye 2y ago
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subsection1h 2y ago
> You learn more from 10 mins of JRE FYI, here are some better sources of information about public policy issues: https://www.aeaweb.org/journals https://www.aeaweb.org/journals https://www.ashecon.org/american-journal-of-health-economics/ https://www.ashecon.org/american-journal-of-health-economics... https://www.apha.org/publications/american-journal-of-public-health https://www.apha.org/publications/american-journal-of-public... https://www.sciencedirect.com/journal/annals-of-epidemiology https://www.sciencedirect.com/journal/annals-of-epidemiology https://asc41.org/publications/criminology-an-interdisciplinary-journal/ https://asc41.org/publications/criminology-an-interdisciplin... https://apsanet.org/publications/journals/ https://apsanet.org/publications/journals/ https://www.agu.org/publications/catalog/journals https://www.agu.org/publications/catalog/journals
- lazyeye 2y ago
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stonethrowaway 2y ago
Upvote for usual MSM banter. In truth, JRE is good entertainment. It’s not a learning platform because there isn’t an active engagement component. He’s good at navigating you through a complicated issue by using storyline like pacing with the people he is interviewing being characters in his story. But it’s hardly ever anything one can hold onto once that episode is done. He’s pleasant to listen to and the bit of drama keeps it fresh and spontaneous.

AtlasBarfed 2y ago

If it gets replaced by Joe Rogan, then no it isn't an improvement. Maybe I qualify that if TV news in its current form gets replaced by Joe Rogan. It is basically a wash. But the death of print media is really an awful awful thing, because that's where the death comes from, that is what is served to be the historical record in recent times. You also gain more misinformation in 10 minutes of Joe Rogan experience than in many other forms. The guy has not met a conspiracy theory that he doesn't love. And he clearly cares above clicks over truth. CNN isn't much better, but they at least have a journalist standard they have to theoretically align to. Now if you're going to call MSNBC and Fox News mainstream media, well that's a big problem.

inglor_cz 2y ago
Joe Rogan is not a substitute for news, but he has a knack of "opening up" people he is talking to. In a democracy, voters tend to vote more for people than for policies. (It is less irrational than it looks: personalities don't change much, while policies can be thrown out at a moment's notice, or never taken seriously in the first place.) In that sense, looking deeper into politicians' minds is a valuable service, a counterweight to the usual photo-op game and wide fake smiles shining on billboards.
superb_dev 2y ago
Also claiming that Joe Rogan is not mainstream media is asinine. His podcast is one of the most popular in the US
- lazyeye 2y ago
  There is a reason Joe Rogan is popular. He is smart, open-minded, curious and gets a diverse range of people (actual diversity of thought!) on a wide range of topics. Compare this to the NPC drones in corporate media pushing out the same tired dogma, day after day, after day. They provide about 10% actual news and the rest is ideological framing. The corporate media serves very little useful purpose any more and I won't miss them when they are gone.
  - AtlasBarfed 2y ago
    Can you give me some clips of Joe Rogan actually being smart? Because I haven't seen him elucidate anything in interviews that isn't a wikipedia page or high level google search away. Now, don't get me wrong, that is a lot better than the flotsam out there, and admittedly it is even better than the paper thin bullshit CNN and the like trot out, but it isn't smart. It's more not-stupid. If you have clips that will change my mind, I'll happily watch, and try to get over my Dana White hatred spillover bias.
lazyeye 2y ago
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subsection1h 2y ago

> You learn more from 10 mins of JRE FYI, here are some better sources of information about public policy issues: https://www.aeaweb.org/journals https://www.aeaweb.org/journals https://www.ashecon.org/american-journal-of-health-economics/ https://www.ashecon.org/american-journal-of-health-economics... https://www.apha.org/publications/american-journal-of-public-health https://www.apha.org/publications/american-journal-of-public... https://www.sciencedirect.com/journal/annals-of-epidemiology https://www.sciencedirect.com/journal/annals-of-epidemiology https://asc41.org/publications/criminology-an-interdisciplinary-journal/ https://asc41.org/publications/criminology-an-interdisciplin... https://apsanet.org/publications/journals/ https://apsanet.org/publications/journals/ https://www.agu.org/publications/catalog/journals https://www.agu.org/publications/catalog/journals

lazyeye 2y ago
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stonethrowaway 2y ago

Upvote for usual MSM banter. In truth, JRE is good entertainment. It’s not a learning platform because there isn’t an active engagement component. He’s good at navigating you through a complicated issue by using storyline like pacing with the people he is interviewing being characters in his story. But it’s hardly ever anything one can hold onto once that episode is done. He’s pleasant to listen to and the bit of drama keeps it fresh and spontaneous.