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> end vaccinations That's not what happened in his last term though. He pushed the COVID vaccinations and it was the democrats who were saying that they would

> end vaccinations That's not what happened in his last term though. He pushed the COVID vaccinations and it was the democrats who were saying that they wouldn't take a Trump vaccine - do you recollect?

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jeffbee 2y ago
It is a mistake to imbue the Trump regime with an underlying system of rules and reason. Everything Trump does is a personal transaction. RFK Jr. is loyal and brought some critical support to Trump, so Trump is going to let him do whatever he wants. Trump doesn't care about the outcomes.
krapp 2y ago
And then the Democrats did take the vaccines. And then the Republicans made it their whole identity to not take the vaccine. in no small part because Trump mocked anyone who did take the vaccines, dismissed the severity and scale of the pandemic as "Democratic lies" and "fake news" (because he wanted to run on the economy) and refused to do so himself, lest the press see him as "weak." And now Trump, being Trump and going whichever way the wind blows, fully embraces anti-vaccine ideology by endorsing RFK - a well known antivaxxer and conspiracy theorist - and promising to give him "carte blanche" control over numerous health agencies and health policy in general. Do you recollect?
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  - krapp 2y ago
    You're the one trying to retcon reality. Trump undermined initial vaccination efforts, defunded health agencies and downplayed the severity of the pandemic[0..2] and then took credit for all of it. He mocked masks and refused to wear a mask or get vaccinated[3..5], then he got vaccinated. And just days ago he said he would consider defunding schools that required vaccines[6]. No one is going to buy this narrative that Democrats were the anti-vaxxers all along and Trump and the Republicans were always pro-vaccine. All of this is recent history. It wasn't that long ago. We were all there. We remember how it was. [0]https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/covid-vaccine-distribution-undermined-trump-playing-politics-transfer-power-ncna1247305 https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/covid-vaccine-distribu... [1]https://www.science.org/content/article/inside-story-how-trumps-covid-19-coordinator-undermined-cdc https://www.science.org/content/article/inside-story-how-tru... [2]https://www.statnews.com/2021/01/31/trump-officials-lobbied-to-deny-states-money-for-vaccine-rollout/ https://www.statnews.com/2021/01/31/trump-officials-lobbied-... [3]https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-downplaying-virus-mocked-wearing-masks-months/story?id=73392694 https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-downplaying-virus-mock... [4]https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-says-he-is-unlikely-to-get-covid-19-vaccine-booster-shot-11630694477 https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-says-he-is-unlikely-to-ge... [5]https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/06/politics/donald-trump-mask-arizona/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/06/politics/donald-trump-mask-ar... [6]https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/trump-vows-to-defund-schools-requiring-vaccines-for-students-if-hes-reelected https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/trump-vows-to-defund-schoo...
    - gadders 2y ago
      >>No one is going to buy this narrative that Democrats were the anti-vaxxers all along and Trump and the Republicans were always pro-vaccine. All of this is recent history. It wasn't that long ago. We were all there. We remember how it was. No-one is saying that. It's just as false as it is to say the Republicans (and Trump) were never pro-vaccine. They were, but once a) the lack of severity of COVID was better understood, and b) the lack of effectiveness and the side effects of the vaccine became known, they became more sceptical. And masks still don't work, and are a waste of time. The science tells us that.
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InsideOutSanta 2y ago
The previous comment is very likely talking about RFK Jr. Trump promised him "a major health role" in his administration, and Kennedy already announced on Twitter that he plans to push Trump to make aggressive changes. Based on his views, it's not difficult to predict what they might mean for vaccines.

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jeffbee 2y ago

It is a mistake to imbue the Trump regime with an underlying system of rules and reason. Everything Trump does is a personal transaction. RFK Jr. is loyal and brought some critical support to Trump, so Trump is going to let him do whatever he wants. Trump doesn't care about the outcomes.

krapp 2y ago

And then the Democrats did take the vaccines. And then the Republicans made it their whole identity to not take the vaccine. in no small part because Trump mocked anyone who did take the vaccines, dismissed the severity and scale of the pandemic as "Democratic lies" and "fake news" (because he wanted to run on the economy) and refused to do so himself, lest the press see him as "weak." And now Trump, being Trump and going whichever way the wind blows, fully embraces anti-vaccine ideology by endorsing RFK - a well known antivaxxer and conspiracy theorist - and promising to give him "carte blanche" control over numerous health agencies and health policy in general. Do you recollect?

zxcvbnm69 2y ago
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gadders 2y ago
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- krapp 2y ago
  You're the one trying to retcon reality. Trump undermined initial vaccination efforts, defunded health agencies and downplayed the severity of the pandemic[0..2] and then took credit for all of it. He mocked masks and refused to wear a mask or get vaccinated[3..5], then he got vaccinated. And just days ago he said he would consider defunding schools that required vaccines[6]. No one is going to buy this narrative that Democrats were the anti-vaxxers all along and Trump and the Republicans were always pro-vaccine. All of this is recent history. It wasn't that long ago. We were all there. We remember how it was. [0]https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/covid-vaccine-distribution-undermined-trump-playing-politics-transfer-power-ncna1247305 https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/covid-vaccine-distribu... [1]https://www.science.org/content/article/inside-story-how-trumps-covid-19-coordinator-undermined-cdc https://www.science.org/content/article/inside-story-how-tru... [2]https://www.statnews.com/2021/01/31/trump-officials-lobbied-to-deny-states-money-for-vaccine-rollout/ https://www.statnews.com/2021/01/31/trump-officials-lobbied-... [3]https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-downplaying-virus-mocked-wearing-masks-months/story?id=73392694 https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-downplaying-virus-mock... [4]https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-says-he-is-unlikely-to-get-covid-19-vaccine-booster-shot-11630694477 https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-says-he-is-unlikely-to-ge... [5]https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/06/politics/donald-trump-mask-arizona/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/06/politics/donald-trump-mask-ar... [6]https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/trump-vows-to-defund-schools-requiring-vaccines-for-students-if-hes-reelected https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/trump-vows-to-defund-schoo...
  - gadders 2y ago
    >>No one is going to buy this narrative that Democrats were the anti-vaxxers all along and Trump and the Republicans were always pro-vaccine. All of this is recent history. It wasn't that long ago. We were all there. We remember how it was. No-one is saying that. It's just as false as it is to say the Republicans (and Trump) were never pro-vaccine. They were, but once a) the lack of severity of COVID was better understood, and b) the lack of effectiveness and the side effects of the vaccine became known, they became more sceptical. And masks still don't work, and are a waste of time. The science tells us that.
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InsideOutSanta 2y ago

The previous comment is very likely talking about RFK Jr. Trump promised him "a major health role" in his administration, and Kennedy already announced on Twitter that he plans to push Trump to make aggressive changes. Based on his views, it's not difficult to predict what they might mean for vaccines.