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Could someone who is more English fluent clarify this statement? > (including individuals of the male, female, black, Indian, white, Chinese, Christian, Hindu,

by wslh 2y ago

Could someone who is more English fluent clarify this statement? > (including individuals of the male, female, black, Indian, white, Chinese, Christian, Hindu, Islamic, and Jewish persuasion) What "persuasion" means in this context? > ...Janet Rosenberg, who to my knowledge is the only Jewish female head-of-government (and later state) in history outside of Israel (and more recently, Mexico). There is one more, see: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruth_Dreifuss https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruth_Dreifuss>.

dcminter 2y ago
> What "persuasion" means in this context? "Of the ... persuasion" is a slightly fancy way of saying "who are ..."
munificent 2y ago
In this context, "persuasion" is an idiom just means something like "background" "has this attribute". It doesn't have anything to do with the typical meaning of "persuade" because English is weird.
- marssaxman 2y ago
  In older writing, one would have used the phrase literally, to describe someone's religious or political affiliation: beliefs one could have been "persuaded" to adopt. One might refer to a preacher "of the Methodist persuasion", say. The modern usage of the idiom came about as a joke - as though someone's sex or ethnic heritage were merely a matter of preference. Over time, the original sense has been forgotten, and the humor has been lost through repetition, so it is now just an odd phrase.
  - embedded_hiker 2y ago
    The US TV show "All in the Family" in the early 70s included the character Archie Bunker, who was an outspoken bigot. This might have been the origin of using "the Oriental persuasion" as a joke. My parents thought it was hilarious, and explained the joke to me. Yes, since then, that usage has leaked from being humor to being used in the sense above.
aorist 2y ago
Also as of more recently, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claudia_Sheinbaum https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claudia_Sheinbaum

by wslh 2y ago

dcminter 2y ago

> What "persuasion" means in this context? "Of the ... persuasion" is a slightly fancy way of saying "who are ..."

munificent 2y ago

In this context, "persuasion" is an idiom just means something like "background" "has this attribute". It doesn't have anything to do with the typical meaning of "persuade" because English is weird.

marssaxman 2y ago
In older writing, one would have used the phrase literally, to describe someone's religious or political affiliation: beliefs one could have been "persuaded" to adopt. One might refer to a preacher "of the Methodist persuasion", say. The modern usage of the idiom came about as a joke - as though someone's sex or ethnic heritage were merely a matter of preference. Over time, the original sense has been forgotten, and the humor has been lost through repetition, so it is now just an odd phrase.
- embedded_hiker 2y ago
  The US TV show "All in the Family" in the early 70s included the character Archie Bunker, who was an outspoken bigot. This might have been the origin of using "the Oriental persuasion" as a joke. My parents thought it was hilarious, and explained the joke to me. Yes, since then, that usage has leaked from being humor to being used in the sense above.

aorist 2y ago

Also as of more recently, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claudia_Sheinbaum https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claudia_Sheinbaum