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You can do whatever you want to yourself. You can't hurt/encourage others, and the data may be no good, but certainly you have informed consent if you're the on

You can do whatever you want to yourself. You can't hurt/encourage others, and the data may be no good, but certainly you have informed consent if you're the only subject

OJFord 2y ago
That's not actually true though is it, suicide is illegal in many jurisdictions. Not just self- euthanisation towards the end of life anyway (which is more controversial/media-discussed) but any form.
- recursive 2y ago
  What could possibly be the purpose of such a law?
  - gpm 2y ago
    To give the authorities a reason to intervene. Which in turn is justified by most people who fail to commit suicide being happy, in retrospect, that they failed. There's probably also a crowd who want it to be illegal because they view suicide as a sin, though personally I think that justification for a law seems like a violation of religious freedoms.
    - tredre3 2y ago
      > Which in turn is justified by most people who fail to commit suicide being happy, in retrospect, that they failed. If true, that sounds like survivorship bias (literally). Those who aren't happy about the failure will just try again and won't be counted in the statistics.
    - recursive 2y ago
      Can "the authorities" intervene prior to a crime they believe is going to be committed? The supreme court has roundly rejected prior restraint. [1] [1]: https://youtu.be/pn-kxUEySy0?t=54 https://youtu.be/pn-kxUEySy0?t=54
  - maronato 2y ago
    Dead people don’t pay taxes /s
- vikramkr 2y ago
  The context of that comment is a parent comment asking about medical self experimentation. You're also not allowed to administer scheduled substances to yourself in many jurisdictions and plenty of other things like that but that's not what I was replying to.
  - cogman10 2y ago
    You actually are allow to administer all sorts of scheduled substances to yourself. You aren't allowed to posses those substances. The laws that do target someone for being in an altered mental state are mostly about being that way in public.
- sonotathrowaway 2y ago
  You’re confusing legality with ethics, which are not the same thing.
  - OJFord 2y ago
    I most certainly am not, but I wasn't aware that it was repealed in the UK (the legal system I'm most familiar with): https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_Act_1961 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_Act_1961
- alexey-salmin 2y ago
  In which jurisdictions the suicide itself (not assistance or encouraging) is illegal? I can only think of some deeply religious societies.
  - unmole 2y ago
    It was illegal in India till 2017.
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TheSkyHasEyes 2y ago
> You can do whatever you want to yourself. No you can't. Maybe in your country. For ex, it's suicide is illegal where I live. Yeah.
- alexey-salmin 2y ago
  Where do you live?
  - jowdones 2y ago
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hoorible 2y ago
> you can do whatever you want to yourself. Uh, women would like a word.
- fwip 2y ago
  The argument against abortion is that the fetus is a separate person, and thus is not something you do "to yourself."
  - hoorible 2y ago
    Uh yeah I don’t think anyone needs to have “the argument” explained. I have yet to see an explanation for why it deserves any merit though.
    - fwip 2y ago
      I'm pro-choice, but I think that it's not an unreasonable stance if you believe that the fetus is an alive human being with intrinsic worth, or a soul. (Souls aren't real, but >75% of Americans believe in them.)
      - hoorible 2y ago
        None of that is a refutation of what I said though, since I reject the notion that belief in the existence of the soul can be used as justification for stripping a person of their bodily autonomy. If we found out cancer cells had souls tomorrow, exactly no one would be screaming “but their souls!” at folks walking into a cancer clinic.
        fwip 2y ago
        "since I reject the notion ..." Well, that's a you problem. The rest of us make decisions based on what we believe, not on what you believe.
        akimbostrawman 2y ago
        you put an adults bodily autonomy over a innocent babies life. I would hope most people have enough self awareness to not compare a foreign hostile disease that does nothing but kill its host to a human life.

You can do whatever you want to yourself. You can't hurt/encourage others, and the data may be no good, but certainly you have informed consent if you're the only subject

OJFord 2y ago

That's not actually true though is it, suicide is illegal in many jurisdictions. Not just self- euthanisation towards the end of life anyway (which is more controversial/media-discussed) but any form.

recursive 2y ago
What could possibly be the purpose of such a law?
- gpm 2y ago
  To give the authorities a reason to intervene. Which in turn is justified by most people who fail to commit suicide being happy, in retrospect, that they failed. There's probably also a crowd who want it to be illegal because they view suicide as a sin, though personally I think that justification for a law seems like a violation of religious freedoms.
  - tredre3 2y ago
    > Which in turn is justified by most people who fail to commit suicide being happy, in retrospect, that they failed. If true, that sounds like survivorship bias (literally). Those who aren't happy about the failure will just try again and won't be counted in the statistics.
  - recursive 2y ago
    Can "the authorities" intervene prior to a crime they believe is going to be committed? The supreme court has roundly rejected prior restraint. [1] [1]: https://youtu.be/pn-kxUEySy0?t=54 https://youtu.be/pn-kxUEySy0?t=54
- maronato 2y ago
  Dead people don’t pay taxes /s
vikramkr 2y ago
The context of that comment is a parent comment asking about medical self experimentation. You're also not allowed to administer scheduled substances to yourself in many jurisdictions and plenty of other things like that but that's not what I was replying to.
- cogman10 2y ago
  You actually are allow to administer all sorts of scheduled substances to yourself. You aren't allowed to posses those substances. The laws that do target someone for being in an altered mental state are mostly about being that way in public.
sonotathrowaway 2y ago
You’re confusing legality with ethics, which are not the same thing.
- OJFord 2y ago
  I most certainly am not, but I wasn't aware that it was repealed in the UK (the legal system I'm most familiar with): https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_Act_1961 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_Act_1961
alexey-salmin 2y ago
In which jurisdictions the suicide itself (not assistance or encouraging) is illegal? I can only think of some deeply religious societies.
- unmole 2y ago
  It was illegal in India till 2017.
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TheSkyHasEyes 2y ago

> You can do whatever you want to yourself. No you can't. Maybe in your country. For ex, it's suicide is illegal where I live. Yeah.

alexey-salmin 2y ago
Where do you live?
- jowdones 2y ago
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hoorible 2y ago

> you can do whatever you want to yourself. Uh, women would like a word.

fwip 2y ago
The argument against abortion is that the fetus is a separate person, and thus is not something you do "to yourself."
- hoorible 2y ago
  Uh yeah I don’t think anyone needs to have “the argument” explained. I have yet to see an explanation for why it deserves any merit though.
  - fwip 2y ago
    I'm pro-choice, but I think that it's not an unreasonable stance if you believe that the fetus is an alive human being with intrinsic worth, or a soul. (Souls aren't real, but >75% of Americans believe in them.)
    - hoorible 2y ago
      None of that is a refutation of what I said though, since I reject the notion that belief in the existence of the soul can be used as justification for stripping a person of their bodily autonomy. If we found out cancer cells had souls tomorrow, exactly no one would be screaming “but their souls!” at folks walking into a cancer clinic.
      - fwip 2y ago
        "since I reject the notion ..." Well, that's a you problem. The rest of us make decisions based on what we believe, not on what you believe.
      - akimbostrawman 2y ago
        you put an adults bodily autonomy over a innocent babies life. I would hope most people have enough self awareness to not compare a foreign hostile disease that does nothing but kill its host to a human life.