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This is the point of trial by jury. I've served on juries, though never been tried in front of one. If we were talking about something where I had actually bro

This is the point of trial by jury. I've served on juries, though never been tried in front of one. If we were talking about something where I had actually broken a law, I'd expect to lose. But if it were truly a case of mistaken identity? I'd almost certainly defend myself and be confident no jury would convict me. It's possible that a lot of people don't have sufficient skills to pore through legal books and case histories the way we pore through examples of massive SQL queries, but I'm sure I'd be up to it. And thus I would never concede to a plea bargain for something I hadn't done. Moreover, the whole concept of doing so is so anathema that I wouldn't care if it was a choice between admitting false guilt or execution (as it was in the show trials of the Soviet Union)... I would tell em to execute me. There are things I'm not willing to live with, like making a false confession, so you had better fuckin kill me.

Hikikomori 2y ago
The most tech bro hubris I've ever seen.
- noduerme 2y ago
  It's not a "tech bro" attitude to say you would prefer to die than to plead guilty to false charges. It's not a new attitude, either. It is an ancient attitude in western philosophy, going back at least to Socrates. Without individual determination to stand by the truth in the face of an arbitrary authority, there can be no just law, only power. A lot of individuals have had to die for truth and justice. Many were quite capable of defending themselves but the option wasn't available. That doesn't mean they didn't comport themselves well.
_DeadFred_ 2y ago
So you are cool with your mom dying alone without you there for support because you want to keep your reputation? Your dad? Your wife/kids being on their own without your support for 45 years? You realize people that represent themselves are fools? Court isn't about smarts, it's about knowing how to play the game, your relationship with the judge, all kinds of factors. Heck if you word things just slightly wrong, you are hit and your winning argument is ignored. And a judge won't help you get to the correct wording.
- noduerme 2y ago
  What about my mom and dad's reputation? What about not wanting my kids to believe their father committed some crime? On the whole, I'd rather them know I was innocent and wrongly accused, yes. I spoke about jury trials, not about court procedure.

Hikikomori 2y ago

The most tech bro hubris I've ever seen.

noduerme 2y ago
It's not a "tech bro" attitude to say you would prefer to die than to plead guilty to false charges. It's not a new attitude, either. It is an ancient attitude in western philosophy, going back at least to Socrates. Without individual determination to stand by the truth in the face of an arbitrary authority, there can be no just law, only power. A lot of individuals have had to die for truth and justice. Many were quite capable of defending themselves but the option wasn't available. That doesn't mean they didn't comport themselves well.

_DeadFred_ 2y ago

So you are cool with your mom dying alone without you there for support because you want to keep your reputation? Your dad? Your wife/kids being on their own without your support for 45 years? You realize people that represent themselves are fools? Court isn't about smarts, it's about knowing how to play the game, your relationship with the judge, all kinds of factors. Heck if you word things just slightly wrong, you are hit and your winning argument is ignored. And a judge won't help you get to the correct wording.

noduerme 2y ago
What about my mom and dad's reputation? What about not wanting my kids to believe their father committed some crime? On the whole, I'd rather them know I was innocent and wrongly accused, yes. I spoke about jury trials, not about court procedure.