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It’s either because they don’t want us to freak out that we’re not gonna be able to escape the climate change hell on earth to go to Mars or that there is some

It’s either because they don’t want us to freak out that we’re not gonna be able to escape the climate change hell on earth to go to Mars or that there is some reality behind all these new UFO disclosures.

maxerickson 2y ago
There's lots of simpler explanations. Like maybe one of them had a "gastrointestinal event" during the landing, potentially exposing the others to something infectious.
mort96 2y ago
We're not going to be able to escape climate change hell on earth by going to mars. You're not transferring 8 billion people to mars this century. The extremely optimistic scenario is that a small group of select rich people and explorers will be able to go to mars and live there self-sufficiently this century, but "we", as in 99.99% of humans, will have to deal with conditions on earth as they are.
- maxerickson 2y ago
  You need a huge group of people to even vaguely approach self sufficiency, or multiple generational advances in manufacturing. For example, if you are importing microchips, you are not self sufficient.
  - mort96 2y ago
    Oh I 100% agree. The very optimistic scenario is that a colony on mars is formed with a few people who depend on regular shipments from earth. The realistic scenario is that a colony on mars is not made this century. The extremely, wildly, super-optimistic, not gonna happen style scenario is that a few thousand people live there self-sufficiently; and my point is that, however unlikely such a scenario is, even that is nowhere close to enough, because the vast, vast majority of people would still have to deal with climate change. Moving to mars is not, and has never been, "a solution" on foreseeable time horizons.
  - FollowingTheDao 2y ago
    If I gave the impression that I thought we could go to Mars, I’m sorry, because I don’t think that realistic at all.
    - mort96 2y ago
      That is the impression I got, but upon re-reading your comment + context I see that I misjudged. ..However, what it looks like you said is that you think NASA wants the public to believe that going to mars is a solution to climate change? Am I reading that right? If so, what makes you say that? If this was SpaceX I might've agreed, but a lot of NASA's resources are spent monitoring the climate on earth to help us tackle climate change, and I can't recall any communication from NASA about how going to mars is a near-term solution to climate change. If I'm misreading you again, I apologize.
- shireboy 2y ago
  Also, climate conditions on Mars are worse than on Earth. I hear it’s so bad you can’t even go outside!
  - dudeinjapan 2y ago
    How dare you!
- tsss 2y ago
  Why would anyone want to go to Mars? Are people now so hysterical that they honestly believe Earth after climate change would be less habitable than Mars, a desert planet with no air?
  - mort96 2y ago
    I don't know. Certain people have this idea that we have mars as a "back-up planet" if things get too bad on earth. Musk has been saying that for example. I think Musk says it to generate hype for his ventures, but I think others believe it because it's comforting to believe that no matter how bad things get here, we have an alternative. The reality is of course that, at least for the foreseeable future, certainly for the duration of the lives of everyone alive today, there is no back-up planet. And honestly, given how climate change is progressing, that's scary.
    - s1artibartfast 2y ago
      I think you are making a strawman of the position. Nobody thinks we will be able to just move to Mars in our lifetime. Some people think it is important to spread the human race beyond earth. It isn't about climate change.
      - mort96 2y ago
        There is no singular "the position", there are multiple people with different positions. Some just want to see humanity become a multi-planetary species this millennium, which is a perfectly sensible goal. Others imagine going to mars as a solution to climate change.
        signatoremo 2y ago
        > Others imagine going to mars as a solution to climate change. Can you link to some people on this camp?
        fragmede 2y ago
echoangle 2y ago
You think people would freak out if NASA told them „you guys won’t be able to go to mars to escape earth“?
- ForHackernews 2y ago
  Elon Musk would. It's like his whole deal.
  - FollowingTheDao 2y ago
    Yes, he talks about it all the time https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/03/27/elon-musk-mars-colony-plan-is-dangerous-illusion/#:~:text=Musk%20has%20said%20that%20he,be%20warmed%20by%20nuclear%20weapons https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/03/27/elon-musk-mars-c....
  - s1artibartfast 2y ago
    This is delusional. Elon's "whole deal" is not that people will leave Earth en masse to escape climate change. That is a delusional interpretation of what he says

maxerickson 2y ago

There's lots of simpler explanations. Like maybe one of them had a "gastrointestinal event" during the landing, potentially exposing the others to something infectious.

mort96 2y ago

We're not going to be able to escape climate change hell on earth by going to mars. You're not transferring 8 billion people to mars this century. The extremely optimistic scenario is that a small group of select rich people and explorers will be able to go to mars and live there self-sufficiently this century, but "we", as in 99.99% of humans, will have to deal with conditions on earth as they are.

maxerickson 2y ago
You need a huge group of people to even vaguely approach self sufficiency, or multiple generational advances in manufacturing. For example, if you are importing microchips, you are not self sufficient.
- mort96 2y ago
  Oh I 100% agree. The very optimistic scenario is that a colony on mars is formed with a few people who depend on regular shipments from earth. The realistic scenario is that a colony on mars is not made this century. The extremely, wildly, super-optimistic, not gonna happen style scenario is that a few thousand people live there self-sufficiently; and my point is that, however unlikely such a scenario is, even that is nowhere close to enough, because the vast, vast majority of people would still have to deal with climate change. Moving to mars is not, and has never been, "a solution" on foreseeable time horizons.
- FollowingTheDao 2y ago
  If I gave the impression that I thought we could go to Mars, I’m sorry, because I don’t think that realistic at all.
  - mort96 2y ago
    That is the impression I got, but upon re-reading your comment + context I see that I misjudged. ..However, what it looks like you said is that you think NASA wants the public to believe that going to mars is a solution to climate change? Am I reading that right? If so, what makes you say that? If this was SpaceX I might've agreed, but a lot of NASA's resources are spent monitoring the climate on earth to help us tackle climate change, and I can't recall any communication from NASA about how going to mars is a near-term solution to climate change. If I'm misreading you again, I apologize.
shireboy 2y ago
Also, climate conditions on Mars are worse than on Earth. I hear it’s so bad you can’t even go outside!
- dudeinjapan 2y ago
  How dare you!
tsss 2y ago
Why would anyone want to go to Mars? Are people now so hysterical that they honestly believe Earth after climate change would be less habitable than Mars, a desert planet with no air?
- mort96 2y ago
  I don't know. Certain people have this idea that we have mars as a "back-up planet" if things get too bad on earth. Musk has been saying that for example. I think Musk says it to generate hype for his ventures, but I think others believe it because it's comforting to believe that no matter how bad things get here, we have an alternative. The reality is of course that, at least for the foreseeable future, certainly for the duration of the lives of everyone alive today, there is no back-up planet. And honestly, given how climate change is progressing, that's scary.
  - s1artibartfast 2y ago
    I think you are making a strawman of the position. Nobody thinks we will be able to just move to Mars in our lifetime. Some people think it is important to spread the human race beyond earth. It isn't about climate change.
    - mort96 2y ago
      There is no singular "the position", there are multiple people with different positions. Some just want to see humanity become a multi-planetary species this millennium, which is a perfectly sensible goal. Others imagine going to mars as a solution to climate change.
      - signatoremo 2y ago
        > Others imagine going to mars as a solution to climate change. Can you link to some people on this camp?
        fragmede 2y ago

echoangle 2y ago

You think people would freak out if NASA told them „you guys won’t be able to go to mars to escape earth“?

ForHackernews 2y ago
Elon Musk would. It's like his whole deal.
- FollowingTheDao 2y ago
  Yes, he talks about it all the time https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/03/27/elon-musk-mars-colony-plan-is-dangerous-illusion/#:~:text=Musk%20has%20said%20that%20he,be%20warmed%20by%20nuclear%20weapons https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/03/27/elon-musk-mars-c....
- s1artibartfast 2y ago
  This is delusional. Elon's "whole deal" is not that people will leave Earth en masse to escape climate change. That is a delusional interpretation of what he says