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And by "reformed", you mean "burnt to the ground, for real this time".

by jojobas 2y ago

protomolecule 2y ago
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- jojobas 2y ago
  We had the evil establish in the 1917, and pretend-removed in 1991. It was in hiding for a decade and a bit, and it will only get worse from there.
  - protomolecule 2y ago
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    - riehwvfbk 2y ago
      The ones who think of themselves as "not evil" of course.
cyberax 2y ago
Burning systems to the ground does not work. The end result is almost always worse than before. Russia actually has a rather functional bureaucracy that is holding the country together. All it really needs is decentralization of power, probably similar to the German's model.
- jojobas 2y ago
  This functional bureaucracy is 100% compromised by the parallel power structure, "Putin's Vertical". Pretty much everyone employed by the state, from school teachers who en masse rig elections to the judges who do FSB's/president office bidding, have to be assumed irredeemable. Russia didn't to the "lustrations" that Poland, Czechia, East Germany and some other countries did, and the Hydra survived.
  - cyberax 2y ago
    > This functional bureaucracy is 100% compromised by the parallel power structure, "Putin's Vertical". Nope, it actually works well within it. I'm talking about the bureaucracy that ensures that the water is running, people can get driving licenses, register real estate deals, etc. All the "boring" stuff that keeps the country working. > Russia didn't to the "lustrations" that Poland, Czechia, East Germany and some other countries did, and the Hydra survived. Lustrations ("purges") are a bad idea in general, especially for larger countries that don't have a history of democracy. Want an example? Iraq. The US Army purged all the BAATH members from the new government, replacing them with new people who were inexperienced in day-to-day administration. And then all those exceedingly nice and newly-jobless ex-BAATH-ists went and formed the core of ISIS. Historically, lustrations worked well only in smaller countries where everyone knew everyone through one or two handshakes, and that still had people who remembered living in a functional democracy.
    - jojobas 2y ago
      >I'm talking about the bureaucracy that ensures that the water is running, people can get driving licenses, register real estate deals, etc. Maybe utilities and some other functions that are not related to how Putin enacts his political control can be spared. Not gutting the machine that does - and that's courts, the entire FSB, whole departments of the MVD, large swaths of the education system and regional governments, really need to be gutted and replaced by new people, old ones only allowed back after thorough examination of their track record. >Lustrations ("purges") are a bad idea in general, especially for larger countries that don't have a history of democracy. This is an opinion, and it's not supported by facts. Poland is not that small, more than 1/4 the population of Russia, and their lustrations worked very well. No living person there had any memory of democracy at the time they happened. >Want an example? Iraq. The US Army purged all the BAATH members from the new government, replacing them with new people who were inexperienced in day-to-day administration. And then all those exceedingly nice and newly-jobless ex-BAATH-ists went and formed the core of ISIS. Way to conflate civic lustrations with a war, and by total destruction by a superpower onslaught at that.
      - 2y ago

And by "reformed", you mean "burnt to the ground, for real this time".

protomolecule 2y ago

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jojobas 2y ago
We had the evil establish in the 1917, and pretend-removed in 1991. It was in hiding for a decade and a bit, and it will only get worse from there.
- protomolecule 2y ago
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  - riehwvfbk 2y ago
    The ones who think of themselves as "not evil" of course.

cyberax 2y ago

Burning systems to the ground does not work. The end result is almost always worse than before. Russia actually has a rather functional bureaucracy that is holding the country together. All it really needs is decentralization of power, probably similar to the German's model.

jojobas 2y ago
This functional bureaucracy is 100% compromised by the parallel power structure, "Putin's Vertical". Pretty much everyone employed by the state, from school teachers who en masse rig elections to the judges who do FSB's/president office bidding, have to be assumed irredeemable. Russia didn't to the "lustrations" that Poland, Czechia, East Germany and some other countries did, and the Hydra survived.
- cyberax 2y ago
  > This functional bureaucracy is 100% compromised by the parallel power structure, "Putin's Vertical". Nope, it actually works well within it. I'm talking about the bureaucracy that ensures that the water is running, people can get driving licenses, register real estate deals, etc. All the "boring" stuff that keeps the country working. > Russia didn't to the "lustrations" that Poland, Czechia, East Germany and some other countries did, and the Hydra survived. Lustrations ("purges") are a bad idea in general, especially for larger countries that don't have a history of democracy. Want an example? Iraq. The US Army purged all the BAATH members from the new government, replacing them with new people who were inexperienced in day-to-day administration. And then all those exceedingly nice and newly-jobless ex-BAATH-ists went and formed the core of ISIS. Historically, lustrations worked well only in smaller countries where everyone knew everyone through one or two handshakes, and that still had people who remembered living in a functional democracy.
  - jojobas 2y ago
    >I'm talking about the bureaucracy that ensures that the water is running, people can get driving licenses, register real estate deals, etc. Maybe utilities and some other functions that are not related to how Putin enacts his political control can be spared. Not gutting the machine that does - and that's courts, the entire FSB, whole departments of the MVD, large swaths of the education system and regional governments, really need to be gutted and replaced by new people, old ones only allowed back after thorough examination of their track record. >Lustrations ("purges") are a bad idea in general, especially for larger countries that don't have a history of democracy. This is an opinion, and it's not supported by facts. Poland is not that small, more than 1/4 the population of Russia, and their lustrations worked very well. No living person there had any memory of democracy at the time they happened. >Want an example? Iraq. The US Army purged all the BAATH members from the new government, replacing them with new people who were inexperienced in day-to-day administration. And then all those exceedingly nice and newly-jobless ex-BAATH-ists went and formed the core of ISIS. Way to conflate civic lustrations with a war, and by total destruction by a superpower onslaught at that.
    - 2y ago