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I think deception is fine if it's about what evidence they have. What isn't fine is deception about the the law and physical threats. It's one thing to say you

I think deception is fine if it's about what evidence they have. What isn't fine is deception about the the law and physical threats. It's one thing to say you have someone's prints at a crime scene hoping they confess, it's entirely different to threaten to kill their dog or say you aren't allowed to talk to a lawyer. The basis of our adversarial legal system is that the truth will emerge from a fair fight between the sides. Deception on the facts, but not the law or threats, seems to be balanced. There are other areas of the law that are not, but this one seems to check out. Some potential tips are to stay calm while asserting your rights and ask for a lawyer. Record anything you can, even leaving an open 911 call if you feel your safety is in jeopardy. Ask for a supervisor. If you're being forced and physically threatened to comply with something like an unlawful search, say you only consent under protest (recording needed).

AdamJacobMuller 2y ago
I also think deception in the form of "just admit you murdered the person and you can go home" should be illegal. Police aren't empowered to make plea deals and they shouldn't imply or outright say that they can.
- giantg2 2y ago
  Well yeah, that falls under deception of the law - they don't have the legal power to make deals.
ClumsyPilot 2y ago
> Record anything you can Ironically, I would record phonecalls and it saved my butt when dealing with a scammy company. You could do it on an old android phones but now neither Android nor iPhones allow this.
- giantg2 2y ago
  Phone calls are often covered differently under wiretapping. Then there are concerns about which states the parties are in and the consent laws. Recording police during official interactions with yourself has generally been upheld.
- hansvm 2y ago
  Yeah, I usually bring up recording software on my computer for this sort of thing and just do the call on speakerphone. It's annoying how the major manufacturers all caved to things like this, just in case you _might_ be breaking the law. IANAL, but I think in CA, despite being 2-party consent, when the other party tells you they're recording the call you're allowed to also record without additional consent, but I do make sure to ask anyway, and everybody is always fine with it.

AdamJacobMuller 2y ago

I also think deception in the form of "just admit you murdered the person and you can go home" should be illegal. Police aren't empowered to make plea deals and they shouldn't imply or outright say that they can.

giantg2 2y ago
Well yeah, that falls under deception of the law - they don't have the legal power to make deals.

ClumsyPilot 2y ago

> Record anything you can Ironically, I would record phonecalls and it saved my butt when dealing with a scammy company. You could do it on an old android phones but now neither Android nor iPhones allow this.

giantg2 2y ago
Phone calls are often covered differently under wiretapping. Then there are concerns about which states the parties are in and the consent laws. Recording police during official interactions with yourself has generally been upheld.
hansvm 2y ago
Yeah, I usually bring up recording software on my computer for this sort of thing and just do the call on speakerphone. It's annoying how the major manufacturers all caved to things like this, just in case you _might_ be breaking the law. IANAL, but I think in CA, despite being 2-party consent, when the other party tells you they're recording the call you're allowed to also record without additional consent, but I do make sure to ask anyway, and everybody is always fine with it.