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Random thought after reading all the philosophical and semantics tangents in the comments here: A good example of a memetic equivalent of endosymbiosis could b
by TeMPOraL 2y ago
Random thought after reading all the philosophical and semantics tangents in the comments here:
A good example of a memetic equivalent of endosymbiosis could be Christianity - Catholicism in particular. Historically, as Christianity spread around the world over the two millenia, it would often adapt and absorb indigenous beliefs and practices of converted populations[0]. Many would die out over time, but some got integrated into the core and exported globally.
It's just the right time of year to think about Christmas[1]. Can you imagine Christianity without one of its two core holidays? That makes it probably the closest memetic equivalent of a mitochondria - you can still see in it the distinct outline of an ancient Roman festival that was absorbed early on, but all of its memes live on in Christianity. In our times, the holiday is vital to the overall faith, and itself could not exist independently[2].
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[0] - I've always been taught that this was intentional slack to make it easier for people to accept a new religion, but nowadays I feel it might have been a fundamentally unavoidable outcome. Maintaining organizational coherence and belief consistency at a scale of a whole continent requires communication and bureaucratic technologies that didn't exist until the last 100-200 years.
[1] - Or at least so most shops would have me believe; in western commercial calendar, Christmas starts when Halloween ends.
[2] - Well okay, I admit this might be a weak part of the analogy - in the western world, Christmas got commercialized to the point it could likely survive as an independent secular tradition.
- elcritch 2y ago> Historically, as Christianity spread around the world over the two millenia, it would often adapt and absorb indigenous beliefs and practices of converted populations Certainly, in the Eastern Orthodox church it's commonly called "baptizing the culture". The idea was/is to take what is good from a culture and to incorporate it to help people become Christians. Also it's a core part of Christian missionaries to learn the language and translate the scripture, and if needed to create a written form of the language. So I'd agree Christianity has always been a bit of a symbiosis of cultures, analogous as you said to endosymbiosis. It started purely Judaic, incorporated large parts of hellenism, and spread globally and imported more bits. The Jewish and Hellenic pieces aren't completely mixed, sort of similar to a mitochondria actually. Then again it makes sense of a religion with a core belief that God became man and created a symbiosis of the two as their savior.
- gavindean90 2y agoRight but the way they did it to the Mayans was messed up