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If cars could be driven without keys we would blame car manufacturers. How do you prevent kids using social media without 100% surveillance or not allowing int

by croes 2y ago

If cars could be driven without keys we would blame car manufacturers. How do you prevent kids using social media without 100% surveillance or not allowing internet access at all?

fairity 2y ago
> How do you prevent kids using social media without 100% surveillance or not allowing internet access at all? Do the parental controls on mobile phones not work? I'm not a parent, so I don't know, but it seem unbelievable to me that there isn't an effective way to grant internet access to kids without social media.
- seb1204 2y ago
  Often not to be honest. And then once 14 they get some permission back on their accounts
- croes 2y ago
  You underestimate the cleverness of kids to circumvent such controls. Do you think antivirus software prevents all viruses? The same is true for parental control
- nuancebydefault 2y ago
  Parental controls will not completely remove addiction. The algorithms are steering towards that, regardless of the age rating of content. Still, is it Zuckerberg's fault or just how capitalism works (optimize for max profit)? I believe only strict regulations can help. Is there any regulation against addiction to (social) media?
- deleted 2y ago
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kelipso 2y ago
Guns don't need keys, do they. Sure they're trying but the cases against the gun companies didn't go anywhere. And I am certain car companies won't be held liable for allowing starting without keys. Keys are only there because of theft.
- croes 2y ago
  Maybe guns companies win in court but we still blame them.
  - richwater 2y ago
    And the blame will be continually misplaced until society realizes we have a mental health crisis not a trigger finger crisis.
    - croes 2y ago
      Fixing mental health is a lot harder than making it harder to get and fire a gun.
- lsllc 2y ago
  In most places they are required to be locked up by law, for example in Massachusetts: > "It shall be unlawful to store or keep any firearm in any place unless such firearm is secured in a locked container or equipped with a tamper-resistant mechanical lock or other safety device, properly engaged so as to render such firearm inoperable by any person other than the owner or other lawfully authorized user." https://www.mass.gov/info-details/mass-general-laws-c140-ss-131l#section-131l- https://www.mass.gov/info-details/mass-general-laws-c140-ss-...
- trynumber9 2y ago
  If you don't have a safe with a key for your gun who is to blame? You bought a gun and you stored it unsafely. Responsible gun owners have their guns locked up. Perhaps responsible parents can pay attention to their childrens' internet usage?
Dalewyn 2y ago
>How do you The same way as with everything else: Do your job as a parent.
- croes 2y ago
  In school and when the play with their friends outside? You can’t control them 100% of the time.
  - Dalewyn 2y ago
    Do your job as a parent and you don't have to control them 100% of the time.
    - croes 2y ago
      That’s not how humans work. Yours sound like the no true scotsman fallacy
aliasxneo 2y ago
> How do you prevent kids using social media without 100% surveillance or not allowing internet access at all? I don't give them a phone, and all the screens in my house are in the shared living space. They also don't know the WiFi password, should they try to sneak in a device. Could they use a friend's phone? Sure. I'm not really concerned in that case, because there's honestly nothing I can do, but it's such minimal exposure with a huge barrier that I doubt it's effectiveness in sustaining much addiction.
- croes 2y ago
  What’s the age range we are talking about? No phone is impossible when school requires one.
  - dannyphantom 2y ago
    Apple and Google Play both have 'Parental Controls' that restricts what is accessible across most of the device. The underlying functionality is there. Parents just don't leverage it at-scale. If a school provides a smartphone, it would be on IT to prevent misuse by students by using MDM. If a parent provides the phone, then we circle back to the 'Parental Controls' that are available. Apple, Parental Controls: https://support.apple.com/en-us/105121 https://support.apple.com/en-us/105121 Apple, MDM: https://www.apple.com/education/k12/deploy-and-manage/ https://www.apple.com/education/k12/deploy-and-manage/ Google Play, Parental Controls: https://safety.google/intl/en_us/families/parental-supervision/ https://safety.google/intl/en_us/families/parental-supervisi... Google Play, MDM: https://support.google.com/googleplay/work/answer/7042221?hl=en https://support.google.com/googleplay/work/answer/7042221?hl...
  - aliasxneo 2y ago
    Ages 5-12. This is the first time I've heard of phones being required in school. Our district is trying to ban them.

by croes 2y ago

If cars could be driven without keys we would blame car manufacturers. How do you prevent kids using social media without 100% surveillance or not allowing internet access at all?

fairity 2y ago

> How do you prevent kids using social media without 100% surveillance or not allowing internet access at all? Do the parental controls on mobile phones not work? I'm not a parent, so I don't know, but it seem unbelievable to me that there isn't an effective way to grant internet access to kids without social media.

seb1204 2y ago
Often not to be honest. And then once 14 they get some permission back on their accounts
croes 2y ago
You underestimate the cleverness of kids to circumvent such controls. Do you think antivirus software prevents all viruses? The same is true for parental control
nuancebydefault 2y ago
Parental controls will not completely remove addiction. The algorithms are steering towards that, regardless of the age rating of content. Still, is it Zuckerberg's fault or just how capitalism works (optimize for max profit)? I believe only strict regulations can help. Is there any regulation against addiction to (social) media?
deleted 2y ago
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kelipso 2y ago

Guns don't need keys, do they. Sure they're trying but the cases against the gun companies didn't go anywhere. And I am certain car companies won't be held liable for allowing starting without keys. Keys are only there because of theft.

croes 2y ago
Maybe guns companies win in court but we still blame them.
- richwater 2y ago
  And the blame will be continually misplaced until society realizes we have a mental health crisis not a trigger finger crisis.
  - croes 2y ago
    Fixing mental health is a lot harder than making it harder to get and fire a gun.
lsllc 2y ago
In most places they are required to be locked up by law, for example in Massachusetts: > "It shall be unlawful to store or keep any firearm in any place unless such firearm is secured in a locked container or equipped with a tamper-resistant mechanical lock or other safety device, properly engaged so as to render such firearm inoperable by any person other than the owner or other lawfully authorized user." https://www.mass.gov/info-details/mass-general-laws-c140-ss-131l#section-131l- https://www.mass.gov/info-details/mass-general-laws-c140-ss-...
trynumber9 2y ago
If you don't have a safe with a key for your gun who is to blame? You bought a gun and you stored it unsafely. Responsible gun owners have their guns locked up. Perhaps responsible parents can pay attention to their childrens' internet usage?

Dalewyn 2y ago

>How do you The same way as with everything else: Do your job as a parent.

croes 2y ago
In school and when the play with their friends outside? You can’t control them 100% of the time.
- Dalewyn 2y ago
  Do your job as a parent and you don't have to control them 100% of the time.
  - croes 2y ago
    That’s not how humans work. Yours sound like the no true scotsman fallacy

aliasxneo 2y ago

> How do you prevent kids using social media without 100% surveillance or not allowing internet access at all? I don't give them a phone, and all the screens in my house are in the shared living space. They also don't know the WiFi password, should they try to sneak in a device. Could they use a friend's phone? Sure. I'm not really concerned in that case, because there's honestly nothing I can do, but it's such minimal exposure with a huge barrier that I doubt it's effectiveness in sustaining much addiction.

croes 2y ago
What’s the age range we are talking about? No phone is impossible when school requires one.
- dannyphantom 2y ago
  Apple and Google Play both have 'Parental Controls' that restricts what is accessible across most of the device. The underlying functionality is there. Parents just don't leverage it at-scale. If a school provides a smartphone, it would be on IT to prevent misuse by students by using MDM. If a parent provides the phone, then we circle back to the 'Parental Controls' that are available. Apple, Parental Controls: https://support.apple.com/en-us/105121 https://support.apple.com/en-us/105121 Apple, MDM: https://www.apple.com/education/k12/deploy-and-manage/ https://www.apple.com/education/k12/deploy-and-manage/ Google Play, Parental Controls: https://safety.google/intl/en_us/families/parental-supervision/ https://safety.google/intl/en_us/families/parental-supervisi... Google Play, MDM: https://support.google.com/googleplay/work/answer/7042221?hl=en https://support.google.com/googleplay/work/answer/7042221?hl...
- aliasxneo 2y ago
  Ages 5-12. This is the first time I've heard of phones being required in school. Our district is trying to ban them.