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Look, (a) you screwed up the numbers. You should not be comparing, in this hypothetical scenario, 1.33 with 1, but rather 1/(1 - 0.33) with 1.33, which is inst
by drostie 14y ago
Look,
(a) you screwed up the numbers. You should not be comparing, in this hypothetical scenario, 1.33 with 1, but rather 1/(1 - 0.33) with 1.33, which is instead 0.1625. That is, "these people who don't understand the numbers involved" in the above article includes you. :P And the article above does not make the pretense that this is a uniform problem affecting all of the consumption of the poor; rather just that certain deals may be irrationally treated because of how they are phrased. There is no mythical 33%-across-the-board discount for the poor at stake here; at best it's a 16.25% discount available in very limited circumstances.
The real point of the original article was that many people seem unable to determine the difference between 1/(1-0.33) and 1.33, which is only a 16% increased-cost gap
(b) It would be very tough to make these economics work out in the present market where even 5% returns seem overoptimistic. Suppose you could reliably convert a poor person into a rich person (and I'll take a modest $200k/year income to define "rich"), by giving them $5k per year and making sure that they spent it on "the right sort of thing," banks could probably do it.
I mean, just imagine making this pitch to a poor person: "I'm going to make it so that in 10 years you are earning $200k/year, and then I will take $20k of those every year for 20 years -- so that you only earn $180k/year -- as payment." To a poor person that's an unbelievably sweet deal. They would take that offer and might even offer a much larger cut of that salary to that bank. Suppose that with oversight the cost to the bank is as much as $10k/year, of which $5k goes directly to the person and $5k is administrative losses in making sure people don't misspend the money. From the bank's perspective that's a 10% return on investment, which is not amazing but not too shabby. Even if it only works 50% of the time, in today's economic climate that easily beats treasury bonds as investments go. It's in the bank's financial interests then to lift people out of poverty with this mechanism.
I don't see any banks doing this, and while it may be possible I would guess that it takes much more money to do it.
- greedo 14y agoa) The article didn't say anything about the poor, nor did I say that it did. I simply made a correlation about how the poor are unable to take advantage of significant discounts due to capital constraints. And the example I was using didn't use the phony discount but the true discount offered by volume. Pay attention... :p I understand the differential between the two pricing strategies perfectly well. b) I also never said nor implied that saving $200/month would make someone rich. But to dispute that there would be no improvement in a family with an extra $2400/year is silly. If you believe that to be the case, please send me a check in that sum. ;p And further, you can't use the present market to determine long term returns. Today's market is quite lucrative if you pick the correct investments. If you just follow the Dow or NASDAQ up and down, day trade, or let management fees eat up your seed corn, you're at the whim of the market.