Thank you! I have tried this, and it works to some extend with the parents. Because I can probe them about their work and interests and point out all the way s

Thank you! I have tried this, and it works to some extend with the parents. Because I can probe them about their work and interests and point out all the way software is involved. But that leaves the kids out in the cold. Because they dont yet understand how "work" works. So they don't understand how software helps with it.