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Qubes is nigh impossible for normal users, even if setup for them. They need extension training and discipline.

fsflover 2y ago
If you set it up, users can run anything themselves. Just use the start menu and the apps will automatically run in the corresponding VMs (shown as windows with colored borders).
- yadaeno 2y ago
  Anything, except for practical applications that people actually use. * music production software * discord * games * copy and pasting
  - fsflover 2y ago
    Everything that works on Linux will generally work on Qubes, apart from the GPU-heavy applications [0], which will be addressed in the future [1]. Copying and pasting works fine [2]. OK, music production may not be possible at the moment [3]. [0] https://www.qubes-os.org/faq/#can-i-run-applications-like-games-which-require-hardware-acceleration https://www.qubes-os.org/faq/#can-i-run-applications-like-ga... [1] https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/8552 https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/8552 [2] https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/how-to-copy-and-paste-text/ https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/how-to-copy-and-paste-text/ [3] https://forum.qubes-os.org/t/question-quality-of-external-usb-audio-device-dac/15088 https://forum.qubes-os.org/t/question-quality-of-external-us...
    - rustcleaner 2y ago
      I run LM-Studio and [can run] Siemens PLM NX inside a Windows Server qube. GPU passthrough is no issue for me at least.
  - rustcleaner 2y ago
    Can't comment on music production since I don't produce music (could be the need for realtime). Discord runs fine both in-browser and in application. Raptor Lake seems to have zero issue with video voice chat, whereas Comet Lake can drag a bit in large rooms without a GPU. Qubes OS makes it dirt easy to multiprofile from all around the world. I don't really game like others do; eye candy doesn't draw me in, but solving interesting puzzles/challenges does. Copy & paste is superior in Qubes, skill issue sorry not-sorry. GIT GUD!
    - paulryanrogers 2y ago
      > Copy & paste is superior in Qubes, skill issue sorry not-sorry. GIT GUD! How is it superior? Gamer insults aren't going to win folks over here. They're more likely to cause people to dismiss you.
- retsl 2y ago
  I set up Qubes OS for and with technical, less-technical and non-technical people and I very much disagree. It only works well for those who are prepared and motivated to learn, and even then, it sometimes can be frustrating. The copy-pasting between VMs, mentioned in a sibling, requires four steps: (1) copying to the source VM's clipboard, (2) copying to the global clipboard, (3) copying to the destination VM's clipboard, and (4) pasting to the destination. The shortcuts become part of your muscle memory after some use, but until they are, that is just one way in which Qubes gets in the way of productivity. There are a bunch of minor quirks, often specific to the hardware, which the user needs to learn about and find workarounds for. But if they do, Qubes is probably the most seamless way to work with tons of (well-isolated) VMs. For example, SecureDrop [0] is based on Qubes and does seem to work well for journalists for securely receiving and working with documents from anonymous sources. [0]: https://securedrop.org/ https://securedrop.org/
  - fsflover 2y ago
    > and I very much disagree > The shortcuts become part of your muscle memory after some use So you agree that it's doable, just that it requires a bit more effort. It's definitely true. > bunch of minor quirks, often specific to the hardware Which is why there is a list of recommended hardware: https://forum.qubes-os.org/t/community-recommended-computers/5560 https://forum.qubes-os.org/t/community-recommended-computers...

If you set it up, users can run anything themselves. Just use the start menu and the apps will automatically run in the corresponding VMs (shown as windows with colored borders).

yadaeno 2y ago
Anything, except for practical applications that people actually use. * music production software * discord * games * copy and pasting
- fsflover 2y ago
  Everything that works on Linux will generally work on Qubes, apart from the GPU-heavy applications [0], which will be addressed in the future [1]. Copying and pasting works fine [2]. OK, music production may not be possible at the moment [3]. [0] https://www.qubes-os.org/faq/#can-i-run-applications-like-games-which-require-hardware-acceleration https://www.qubes-os.org/faq/#can-i-run-applications-like-ga... [1] https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/8552 https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/8552 [2] https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/how-to-copy-and-paste-text/ https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/how-to-copy-and-paste-text/ [3] https://forum.qubes-os.org/t/question-quality-of-external-usb-audio-device-dac/15088 https://forum.qubes-os.org/t/question-quality-of-external-us...
  - rustcleaner 2y ago
    I run LM-Studio and [can run] Siemens PLM NX inside a Windows Server qube. GPU passthrough is no issue for me at least.
- rustcleaner 2y ago
  Can't comment on music production since I don't produce music (could be the need for realtime). Discord runs fine both in-browser and in application. Raptor Lake seems to have zero issue with video voice chat, whereas Comet Lake can drag a bit in large rooms without a GPU. Qubes OS makes it dirt easy to multiprofile from all around the world. I don't really game like others do; eye candy doesn't draw me in, but solving interesting puzzles/challenges does. Copy & paste is superior in Qubes, skill issue sorry not-sorry. GIT GUD!
  - paulryanrogers 2y ago
    > Copy & paste is superior in Qubes, skill issue sorry not-sorry. GIT GUD! How is it superior? Gamer insults aren't going to win folks over here. They're more likely to cause people to dismiss you.
retsl 2y ago
I set up Qubes OS for and with technical, less-technical and non-technical people and I very much disagree. It only works well for those who are prepared and motivated to learn, and even then, it sometimes can be frustrating. The copy-pasting between VMs, mentioned in a sibling, requires four steps: (1) copying to the source VM's clipboard, (2) copying to the global clipboard, (3) copying to the destination VM's clipboard, and (4) pasting to the destination. The shortcuts become part of your muscle memory after some use, but until they are, that is just one way in which Qubes gets in the way of productivity. There are a bunch of minor quirks, often specific to the hardware, which the user needs to learn about and find workarounds for. But if they do, Qubes is probably the most seamless way to work with tons of (well-isolated) VMs. For example, SecureDrop [0] is based on Qubes and does seem to work well for journalists for securely receiving and working with documents from anonymous sources. [0]: https://securedrop.org/ https://securedrop.org/
- fsflover 2y ago
  > and I very much disagree > The shortcuts become part of your muscle memory after some use So you agree that it's doable, just that it requires a bit more effort. It's definitely true. > bunch of minor quirks, often specific to the hardware Which is why there is a list of recommended hardware: https://forum.qubes-os.org/t/community-recommended-computers/5560 https://forum.qubes-os.org/t/community-recommended-computers...