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The fact is that the economy is not bad right now. People are mad about their perception of the economy, but the economy is fine. Once their team is in, their

The fact is that the economy is not bad right now. People are mad about their perception of the economy, but the economy is fine. Once their team is in, their perception will change over night.

FrustratedMonky 2y ago
Exactly. People complain about gas going up a dollar and cry about milk and eggs. But it is actually pretty good right now. If the right is ready for a civil war when things are good, what happens to US voters when the Economy actually is bad. If we get 20-30% inflation (because no labor because of deportations, and tariffs), and losing jobs because of budget cuts (people forget Trump 1 didn't create many jobs).
- foobarian 2y ago
  I doubt the deportations at that level will happen; the GOP elites know the score. They will do some well publicized theater and call it a day.
  - defrost 2y ago
    The US lacks both the resources and the time in a four year term to deport at the levels claimed in the campaign What is very likely is that Stephen "my precious" Miller (aka Goebbels-lite) will get to break up more families, "lose" more vulnerable children and build a few more international convention breaking "camps". Addendum: Rather than downvote at least expand on why you might think Miller will not repeat what he has done before in pursuit of the goals he has clearly stated?
    - _yb2s 2y ago
      It’s the “name calling” not the actual points people are downvoting you for
      - defrost 2y ago
        Have you read Stephan Miller's speeches? They're cut from from the Enoch Powell, Goebbels playbook - it's not name calling when it's simple factual description of the source material in question. This isn't some US Democratic smear at all, Miller is regarded as a far right extremist and outlier by Republicans (eg: https://www.salon.com/2018/01/21/lindsey-graham-slams-stephen-miller-says-white-house-staff-has-been-pretty-unreliable/ https://www.salon.com/2018/01/21/lindsey-graham-slams-stephe...) Call a spade a spade.
        _yb2s 2y ago
        I was only telling you why people are downvoting you. I was also downvoted in this same discussion for making the point that “fascist” shouldn’t be received as an insult to people that, well, think fascism is good.
        defrost 2y ago
        That's fine, I'm aware that's one reason that some might downvote, I'm happy pointing out the cowardice inherent in silent downvotes but can easily understand why some may prefer to do that and avoid defending Miller or attempting to make a case that my descriptions don't apply.
        _yb2s 2y ago
        https://imgur.com/gallery/most-internet-arguments-these-days-0A4YXq7 https://imgur.com/gallery/most-internet-arguments-these-days...
        defrost 2y ago
        Heh. "To be fair" wrt Donald Trump, in my opinion the Generals were bang on describing him as a Fascist but he's nowhere near the level of being an actual Nazi that, say, his father actually was. He's primarily a self serving opportunist and a supremely talented and natural grifter, the people to really worry about will be his his appointments in this coming term - they'll have their own agenda's and will have relatively free reign to pursue them as long as they are loyal to Trump (in his opinion).
    - foobarian 2y ago
      See, that seems exactly like the kind of cruel operation that would be highly visible in public but wouldn't actually move the needle in numbers.
    - FrustratedMonky 2y ago
      In conjunction with Tariffs, could get 20% inflation some markets. I think laptops and electronics could hit 20% inflation. While farm good, more impacted by immigration would probably be less that 20%, but who knows. If you can't pick the fruit at all, inflation can spike rapidly. Year or so ago I think peaches hit triple digit inflation, (and came back down, yes, it fluctuates).

The fact is that the economy is not bad right now. People are mad about their perception of the economy, but the economy is fine. Once their team is in, their perception will change over night.

FrustratedMonky 2y ago

Exactly. People complain about gas going up a dollar and cry about milk and eggs. But it is actually pretty good right now. If the right is ready for a civil war when things are good, what happens to US voters when the Economy actually is bad. If we get 20-30% inflation (because no labor because of deportations, and tariffs), and losing jobs because of budget cuts (people forget Trump 1 didn't create many jobs).

foobarian 2y ago
I doubt the deportations at that level will happen; the GOP elites know the score. They will do some well publicized theater and call it a day.
- defrost 2y ago
  The US lacks both the resources and the time in a four year term to deport at the levels claimed in the campaign What is very likely is that Stephen "my precious" Miller (aka Goebbels-lite) will get to break up more families, "lose" more vulnerable children and build a few more international convention breaking "camps". Addendum: Rather than downvote at least expand on why you might think Miller will not repeat what he has done before in pursuit of the goals he has clearly stated?
  - _yb2s 2y ago
    It’s the “name calling” not the actual points people are downvoting you for
    - defrost 2y ago
      Have you read Stephan Miller's speeches? They're cut from from the Enoch Powell, Goebbels playbook - it's not name calling when it's simple factual description of the source material in question. This isn't some US Democratic smear at all, Miller is regarded as a far right extremist and outlier by Republicans (eg: https://www.salon.com/2018/01/21/lindsey-graham-slams-stephen-miller-says-white-house-staff-has-been-pretty-unreliable/ https://www.salon.com/2018/01/21/lindsey-graham-slams-stephe...) Call a spade a spade.
      - _yb2s 2y ago
        I was only telling you why people are downvoting you. I was also downvoted in this same discussion for making the point that “fascist” shouldn’t be received as an insult to people that, well, think fascism is good.
        defrost 2y ago
        That's fine, I'm aware that's one reason that some might downvote, I'm happy pointing out the cowardice inherent in silent downvotes but can easily understand why some may prefer to do that and avoid defending Miller or attempting to make a case that my descriptions don't apply.
        _yb2s 2y ago
        https://imgur.com/gallery/most-internet-arguments-these-days-0A4YXq7 https://imgur.com/gallery/most-internet-arguments-these-days...
        defrost 2y ago
        Heh. "To be fair" wrt Donald Trump, in my opinion the Generals were bang on describing him as a Fascist but he's nowhere near the level of being an actual Nazi that, say, his father actually was. He's primarily a self serving opportunist and a supremely talented and natural grifter, the people to really worry about will be his his appointments in this coming term - they'll have their own agenda's and will have relatively free reign to pursue them as long as they are loyal to Trump (in his opinion).
  - foobarian 2y ago
    See, that seems exactly like the kind of cruel operation that would be highly visible in public but wouldn't actually move the needle in numbers.
  - FrustratedMonky 2y ago
    In conjunction with Tariffs, could get 20% inflation some markets. I think laptops and electronics could hit 20% inflation. While farm good, more impacted by immigration would probably be less that 20%, but who knows. If you can't pick the fruit at all, inflation can spike rapidly. Year or so ago I think peaches hit triple digit inflation, (and came back down, yes, it fluctuates).