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> Cyclists make mistakes Stats in the UK show that the majority of car/bicycle collisions are due to driver error, not cyclist error. Given the USA standard of

> Cyclists make mistakes Stats in the UK show that the majority of car/bicycle collisions are due to driver error, not cyclist error. Given the USA standard of driving is much lower, and policing is much less consistent, I’d put good money on that being higher in the USA. > Cars and bikes don't mix Yes but you’re looking at the wrong category of people making the mistake.

Moru 2y ago
Don't hook up on the wrong thing here. Everyone makes mistakes but the cyclists pay with their life. Is it a well designed system when a little mistake costs your life? The cyclists have a better understanding and overview of the trafic sittuation so from the car drivers view it looks like they take bigger risks.
- scott_w 2y ago
  The car driver’s view is irrelevant when determining who made the mistake, only the facts of the matter. And in the vast majority of cases, it’s the car driver.
  - Moru 2y ago
    I get the impression you read "Cyclists make mistakes" and commented without reading the rest. We all agree on what you are saying. That is what I'm objecting to. "Cyclists make mistakes, make bad judgments, take big risks, JUST LIKE CAR DRIVERS."
    - scott_w 2y ago
      No, we don’t agree. The original post only pointed out cyclists as the ones making mistakes. You’re trying to both sides the issue. I’m saying that the VAST MAJORITY of mistakes are committed by drivers. Those three positions are not the same.
mmooss 2y ago
It seems irrational and transparently self-righteous for cyclists to claim to be victims or somehow superior. Why would Homo sapiens on bicycles be any less prone to error or negligence or aggression than those in automobiles? Often, the same person does both (at different times)!
- scott_w 2y ago
  Because the statistics show that more pedestrians are killed by drivers on the pavement (sidewalk for Americans) every year than are killed by cyclists. Studies show that cyclists break the law at a lower rate than drivers, too.
  - mmooss 2y ago
    > pedestrians are killed by drivers on the pavement (sidewalk for Americans) every year than are killed by cyclists There are many more cars, and bike accidents don't tend to kill people.
- consteval 2y ago
  > Why would Homo sapiens on bicycles be any less prone to error or negligence or aggression than those in automobiles? For a few very obvious reasons: 1. Cars have significantly less visibility. Often cars run into other cars at speed without having ever even seen them. Now imagine bicycles. 2. Cars are much faster, so mistakes are amplified. Often with cars you're forced to commit to bad decisions because you're simply too fast to abort. 3. Cars are much more powerful, which may bring aggression in people. This is opinion but from my life this is plainly true with everything. The more perceived power something gives a person, the more prone to aggression that person is.
- Mawr 2y ago
  Perfect vision without blind spots, unimpeded ability to hear, able to communicate via body language with pedestrians. Yes, biking is superior in city environments and should be encouraged.
  - 2y ago

Moru 2y ago

Don't hook up on the wrong thing here. Everyone makes mistakes but the cyclists pay with their life. Is it a well designed system when a little mistake costs your life? The cyclists have a better understanding and overview of the trafic sittuation so from the car drivers view it looks like they take bigger risks.

scott_w 2y ago
The car driver’s view is irrelevant when determining who made the mistake, only the facts of the matter. And in the vast majority of cases, it’s the car driver.
- Moru 2y ago
  I get the impression you read "Cyclists make mistakes" and commented without reading the rest. We all agree on what you are saying. That is what I'm objecting to. "Cyclists make mistakes, make bad judgments, take big risks, JUST LIKE CAR DRIVERS."
  - scott_w 2y ago
    No, we don’t agree. The original post only pointed out cyclists as the ones making mistakes. You’re trying to both sides the issue. I’m saying that the VAST MAJORITY of mistakes are committed by drivers. Those three positions are not the same.

mmooss 2y ago

It seems irrational and transparently self-righteous for cyclists to claim to be victims or somehow superior. Why would Homo sapiens on bicycles be any less prone to error or negligence or aggression than those in automobiles? Often, the same person does both (at different times)!

scott_w 2y ago
Because the statistics show that more pedestrians are killed by drivers on the pavement (sidewalk for Americans) every year than are killed by cyclists. Studies show that cyclists break the law at a lower rate than drivers, too.
- mmooss 2y ago
  > pedestrians are killed by drivers on the pavement (sidewalk for Americans) every year than are killed by cyclists There are many more cars, and bike accidents don't tend to kill people.
consteval 2y ago
> Why would Homo sapiens on bicycles be any less prone to error or negligence or aggression than those in automobiles? For a few very obvious reasons: 1. Cars have significantly less visibility. Often cars run into other cars at speed without having ever even seen them. Now imagine bicycles. 2. Cars are much faster, so mistakes are amplified. Often with cars you're forced to commit to bad decisions because you're simply too fast to abort. 3. Cars are much more powerful, which may bring aggression in people. This is opinion but from my life this is plainly true with everything. The more perceived power something gives a person, the more prone to aggression that person is.
Mawr 2y ago
Perfect vision without blind spots, unimpeded ability to hear, able to communicate via body language with pedestrians. Yes, biking is superior in city environments and should be encouraged.
- 2y ago