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Here's a solid completely factual reason why people don't trust the FDA or the government to give health advice. Pointless drug allowed for decades. If you wa

Here's a solid completely factual reason why people don't trust the FDA or the government to give health advice. Pointless drug allowed for decades. If you want to be trusted you have to be consistently trustworthy. What else is the FDA wrong about and will continue to be wrong about for decades?

OutOfHere 2y ago
It makes me wonder if it has anything to do with Trump winning the election. > What else is the FDA wrong about Too much. For one, numerous harmful additives are freely allowed. These additives may not cause immediate damage, but over the long term they really inflame the gut. They serve no good purpose in the medicines. Examples include: propylene glycol, sodium lauryl sulfate, titanium dioxide, talc, ammonium hydroxide, monoethanolamine, n-butyl alcohol.
rileymat2 2y ago
This conversation is confusing without the FDA isn’t everything allowed by default and you get far worse like the current supplement industry?
- initplus 2y ago
  Regulatory challenge is that the FDA have to combine 3 related but seperate concepts: 1. Manufacturing quality/ingredients accuracy (is the product what is says on the tin) 2. Safety 3. Efficacy Medicines must pass all three, supplements don't have to meet any.
- rustcleaner 2y ago
  FDA and DEA should be concerned mainly with the contents matching the box, and not on medical claims of effectiveness.
  - rileymat2 2y ago
    In your opinion, should any government agency monitor truth of claims, or is this all outsourced to private things like consumer reports? Is it class action lawsuits? And in the case of drug effectiveness, isn't this a very expensive endeavor, where the primary source of funding would be the companies themselves biasing results? In this case we had companies happily selling us ineffective drugs, not because the FDA wanted it, but because they did not reject it. In a world without the FDA, what entity rejects?
Brian_K_White 2y ago
Well? What else indeed? Is this the exception or the rule? I bet you think people should trust you even though I also bet you were wrong about something once.
- colechristensen 2y ago
  >I bet you think people should trust you even though I also bet you were wrong about something once. Is there anything I've been wrong about which has been significant for a couple of decades? Pseudoephedrine left OTC in about 2006, phenylephrine has been the main decongestant available and there's been solid evidence out there for a long time that it didn't do anything.
  - Brian_K_White 2y ago
    Did you think this addressed the point? I don't hear anything that shows that this mistake is part of the majority or minority. How long ago it was made is insignificant. I have no reason to think that you do not have a similar 20 year old ongoing error unless you are physically not yet 20 years old. I'm sure I probably do. I'm sure everyone does. It's not a remarkable thing. They are also right now self-correcting this error, while I still have mine whatever they are. Regardless, it still doesn't answer the question of exception vs rule. No matter how bad or long-running this error is, it doesn't matter, what matters is, is it representative of most of their policies and actions? It might be, but you have not shown that it is and I have not shown that it's not.
telgareith 2y ago
Easy: Foam of any type and any chemistry in CPAP or ventilators of any type. Also, "soclean" and any other ozone 'cleaners'
refurb 2y ago
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autoexec 2y ago
Companies lie to the public and sell products that contain a useless drug that does nothing, the FDA wants the products with the useless drug removed because the companies selling them are just ripping people off, and your conclusion is that the FDA is the problem?

OutOfHere 2y ago

It makes me wonder if it has anything to do with Trump winning the election. > What else is the FDA wrong about Too much. For one, numerous harmful additives are freely allowed. These additives may not cause immediate damage, but over the long term they really inflame the gut. They serve no good purpose in the medicines. Examples include: propylene glycol, sodium lauryl sulfate, titanium dioxide, talc, ammonium hydroxide, monoethanolamine, n-butyl alcohol.

rileymat2 2y ago

This conversation is confusing without the FDA isn’t everything allowed by default and you get far worse like the current supplement industry?

initplus 2y ago
Regulatory challenge is that the FDA have to combine 3 related but seperate concepts: 1. Manufacturing quality/ingredients accuracy (is the product what is says on the tin) 2. Safety 3. Efficacy Medicines must pass all three, supplements don't have to meet any.
rustcleaner 2y ago
FDA and DEA should be concerned mainly with the contents matching the box, and not on medical claims of effectiveness.
- rileymat2 2y ago
  In your opinion, should any government agency monitor truth of claims, or is this all outsourced to private things like consumer reports? Is it class action lawsuits? And in the case of drug effectiveness, isn't this a very expensive endeavor, where the primary source of funding would be the companies themselves biasing results? In this case we had companies happily selling us ineffective drugs, not because the FDA wanted it, but because they did not reject it. In a world without the FDA, what entity rejects?

Brian_K_White 2y ago

Well? What else indeed? Is this the exception or the rule? I bet you think people should trust you even though I also bet you were wrong about something once.

colechristensen 2y ago
>I bet you think people should trust you even though I also bet you were wrong about something once. Is there anything I've been wrong about which has been significant for a couple of decades? Pseudoephedrine left OTC in about 2006, phenylephrine has been the main decongestant available and there's been solid evidence out there for a long time that it didn't do anything.
- Brian_K_White 2y ago
  Did you think this addressed the point? I don't hear anything that shows that this mistake is part of the majority or minority. How long ago it was made is insignificant. I have no reason to think that you do not have a similar 20 year old ongoing error unless you are physically not yet 20 years old. I'm sure I probably do. I'm sure everyone does. It's not a remarkable thing. They are also right now self-correcting this error, while I still have mine whatever they are. Regardless, it still doesn't answer the question of exception vs rule. No matter how bad or long-running this error is, it doesn't matter, what matters is, is it representative of most of their policies and actions? It might be, but you have not shown that it is and I have not shown that it's not.

telgareith 2y ago

Easy: Foam of any type and any chemistry in CPAP or ventilators of any type. Also, "soclean" and any other ozone 'cleaners'

refurb 2y ago

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autoexec 2y ago

Companies lie to the public and sell products that contain a useless drug that does nothing, the FDA wants the products with the useless drug removed because the companies selling them are just ripping people off, and your conclusion is that the FDA is the problem?