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WaPo not posting the editorial was a silly move, of trying to please a volatile creature. But what really gets me is the NYT. Man, they bent over backwards to

WaPo not posting the editorial was a silly move, of trying to please a volatile creature. But what really gets me is the NYT. Man, they bent over backwards to normalize & sane-wash the craziest shit. Michael Tae Sweeney just turned it into his hole bit, but boy was he ever right: "the media covers Trump like this because they want him to win." We have colossal problems with absolutely deranged things going on in the far right media & online streams/radio, blending conspiracy and disinformation together, just gleefully outdoing each other for hotter own the libs takes. We keep saying low information voters, but it's only true sometimes; it's just as much people being fed the wildest craziest shit. And rather than actually report some of the wild shit going on straight from the presidents mouth, like the NYT could do, it's all re-parsed into, oh, hahaha old man Trump is at it again with his somewhat divisive talk! For a while on Bluesky there was a Trump headline translator, where people would put real or imagined whores in one side, and the NYT headline on the other. Too too many were real examples of absolutely crazy making-palpable bending-over-backwards efforts to help out. It just feels like there's no one at all to report accurately.

defrost 2y ago
> where people would put real or imagined whores in one side and René Descartes on the other?
- jauntywundrkind 2y ago
  Real or imagined *quotes in one side Apologies!
  - defrost 2y ago
    Heh. No worries- auto completion and other assists have butchered my comments at times also, I got a chuckle from it :-)
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PittleyDunkin 2y ago
It seems a lot easier to blame the losing candidate for running an unattractive campaign than it does to assume the new york times itself has this much influence. Surely most of their readers voted for Harris.
- _DeadFred_ 2y ago
  I don't see where the previous comment was blaming anyone for anything, just pointing out the NYTs recent behavior. Can you point me to the blame part?
  - PittleyDunkin 2y ago
    > But what really gets me is the NYT. Man, they bent over backwards to normalize & sane-wash the craziest shit. Michael Tae Sweeney just turned it into his hole bit, but boy was he ever right: "the media covers Trump like this because they want him to win." Idk what blame means to you but this looks an awful lot like blame to me
gotoeleven 2y ago
Only very liberal people believe anything in the NYT. They've called Trump (and all republicans before him) hitler too many times. Too many of their gotcha stories turn out to be fake. They ran with the russia nonsense for years. It would be nice to have a place where you could get a factual account of current events but the NYT is not it. I really dont understand this "sane wash" angle. They literally were calling him hitler, fascist, blah blah right up to the election. Go ahead and downvote. If you want to keep believing that everyone to the right of Mao is too stupid to recognize that the NYT and its fellow msm outlets are trying to manipulate them with nearly every story, go ahead.
- PittleyDunkin 2y ago
  > Only very liberal people believe anything in the NYT. As opposed to what? America is a wholly liberal nation. Including the marginally right! Who embodies liberalism more than trump? Americans are liberal narcissists that care more about opinions and the right to be an asshole than they care about other people. The only difference is that some of them care about trying to grant abortions and others want to not grant abortions. But all care about bullshit rather than shit that matters, like rent and wages and housing development. There is no political constituency demanding economic rights, for instance, nor any party that stands for workers. There is no party that calls out the government for catering to corporations over citizens as the american government clearly does. I mean if you want to call conservatives "fascists" you can, but fascism is just a degenerate form of liberalism and it's not like the democrats are any less fascist than republicans. It's all right-wing bullshit that puts aesthetics and comfort ahead of anything that people should actually care about. I guess you could call the rest of the world "communist" if you think the democrats are to the left of liberalism but who would take you seriously
- tim333 2y ago
  I'm not especially liberal and think a lot of the journalism in the NYT is quite good. There's nothing totally unbiased in life. Just googling "site:nytimes.com trump hitler" I didn't see anything saying straight Trump is Hitler although they are willing to say point out that JD Vance questioned if he was "America's Hitler" which seems fair enough to me. (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/12/magazine/jd-vance-interview.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/12/magazine/jd-vance-intervi...) Dunno if you have a link for them saying that or maybe it's unreliable right wing sources saying the NYT says Trump is Hitler?
jaybrendansmith 2y ago
I did not love the outcome, either, but you are confusing things here. Outside of outlets like FOX who are partisan on purpose, the rest of the media is simply running like crazy 24-hours trying to get clicks and views. Their businesses are all propped up by advertising dollars that, while huge, are spread across a much wider information space. They are desperate for attention. The most effective way to get attention is hate and inflammatory talk. This is ultimately why Trump won, he has hacked the media completely, realizing that any press is good press. Didn't you notice how when he started to get worried he started saying more and more inflammatory things? If politicians want to survive, they need to become shock jocks to get clicks. I'm sorry the world is like this, but we need to recognize facts. If we want to change this, we need to regulate the media somehow.

defrost 2y ago

> where people would put real or imagined whores in one side and René Descartes on the other?

jauntywundrkind 2y ago
Real or imagined *quotes in one side Apologies!
- defrost 2y ago
  Heh. No worries- auto completion and other assists have butchered my comments at times also, I got a chuckle from it :-)

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PittleyDunkin 2y ago

It seems a lot easier to blame the losing candidate for running an unattractive campaign than it does to assume the new york times itself has this much influence. Surely most of their readers voted for Harris.

_DeadFred_ 2y ago
I don't see where the previous comment was blaming anyone for anything, just pointing out the NYTs recent behavior. Can you point me to the blame part?
- PittleyDunkin 2y ago
  > But what really gets me is the NYT. Man, they bent over backwards to normalize & sane-wash the craziest shit. Michael Tae Sweeney just turned it into his hole bit, but boy was he ever right: "the media covers Trump like this because they want him to win." Idk what blame means to you but this looks an awful lot like blame to me

gotoeleven 2y ago

Only very liberal people believe anything in the NYT. They've called Trump (and all republicans before him) hitler too many times. Too many of their gotcha stories turn out to be fake. They ran with the russia nonsense for years. It would be nice to have a place where you could get a factual account of current events but the NYT is not it. I really dont understand this "sane wash" angle. They literally were calling him hitler, fascist, blah blah right up to the election. Go ahead and downvote. If you want to keep believing that everyone to the right of Mao is too stupid to recognize that the NYT and its fellow msm outlets are trying to manipulate them with nearly every story, go ahead.

PittleyDunkin 2y ago
> Only very liberal people believe anything in the NYT. As opposed to what? America is a wholly liberal nation. Including the marginally right! Who embodies liberalism more than trump? Americans are liberal narcissists that care more about opinions and the right to be an asshole than they care about other people. The only difference is that some of them care about trying to grant abortions and others want to not grant abortions. But all care about bullshit rather than shit that matters, like rent and wages and housing development. There is no political constituency demanding economic rights, for instance, nor any party that stands for workers. There is no party that calls out the government for catering to corporations over citizens as the american government clearly does. I mean if you want to call conservatives "fascists" you can, but fascism is just a degenerate form of liberalism and it's not like the democrats are any less fascist than republicans. It's all right-wing bullshit that puts aesthetics and comfort ahead of anything that people should actually care about. I guess you could call the rest of the world "communist" if you think the democrats are to the left of liberalism but who would take you seriously
tim333 2y ago
I'm not especially liberal and think a lot of the journalism in the NYT is quite good. There's nothing totally unbiased in life. Just googling "site:nytimes.com trump hitler" I didn't see anything saying straight Trump is Hitler although they are willing to say point out that JD Vance questioned if he was "America's Hitler" which seems fair enough to me. (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/12/magazine/jd-vance-interview.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/12/magazine/jd-vance-intervi...) Dunno if you have a link for them saying that or maybe it's unreliable right wing sources saying the NYT says Trump is Hitler?

jaybrendansmith 2y ago

I did not love the outcome, either, but you are confusing things here. Outside of outlets like FOX who are partisan on purpose, the rest of the media is simply running like crazy 24-hours trying to get clicks and views. Their businesses are all propped up by advertising dollars that, while huge, are spread across a much wider information space. They are desperate for attention. The most effective way to get attention is hate and inflammatory talk. This is ultimately why Trump won, he has hacked the media completely, realizing that any press is good press. Didn't you notice how when he started to get worried he started saying more and more inflammatory things? If politicians want to survive, they need to become shock jocks to get clicks. I'm sorry the world is like this, but we need to recognize facts. If we want to change this, we need to regulate the media somehow.