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Sure, just ctrl-z the last ~60 years of population growth around the world; should be easy to get those chicken numbers under control then.

ceejayoz 2y ago
India will be surprised to find that population growth requires beef and chicken consumption, I suspect.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > India will be surprised to find that population growth requires beef and chicken consumption India is the sixth-largest consumer of chicken [1] and fourth-largest of beef [2] in the world. [1] https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/chicken-consumption-by-country https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/chicken-c... [2] https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/beef-consumption-by-country https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/beef-cons...
  - ceejayoz 2y ago
    Because it's a huge country, but 40% are vegetarian. They seem to have kids and feed themselves reasonably well. Take a look at the per-capita numbers for the real story, where they're in the bottom 20 or so out of ~190.
    - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
      Sure. The point is even with those low (but far from record low) per-capita numbers they still eat a lot of meat there.
      - ceejayoz 2y ago
        The point is meat/chicken consumption isn't required for population growth.
        JumpCrisscross 2y ago
        Isn’t required but in practice occurs. With both population and wealth. We aren’t getting rid of chicken or beef any time soon.
        ceejayoz 2y ago
        > We aren’t getting rid of chicken or beef any time soon. This is a very different argument. We won't be. We could, in short order, if we all wanted to, without having to "ctrl-z the last ~60 years of population growth around the world" as asserted upthread.
        JumpCrisscross 2y ago
        > We could, in short order, if we all wanted to, without having to "ctrl-z the last ~60 years of population growth around the world" as asserted upthread This is akin to we could wish war away. Like sure. We could. If you want to reduce chicken consumption, the practical route is reducing population or wealth.
        fsflover 2y ago
        You could also promote nature-friendly lifestyle and support vegetarians somehow.
        nomel 2y ago
        73% of the Indian population is protein deficient [1]. [1] https://www.orfonline.org/expert-speak/indias-protein-deficiency-and-the-need-to-address-the-problem https://www.orfonline.org/expert-speak/indias-protein-defici...
        ceejayoz 2y ago
        You've argued elsewhere in the thread that "60 to 75% of the population eats meat". Now you're arguing 73% are protein deficient. These are hard stats to combine into a "it's the not-meat-eating that's the problem"; either one stat is wrong/misleading (I suspect "meat" includes fish, for example), or there are other factors than "not enough chicken".
    - bongoman42 2y ago
      India has among the highest rates of child malnutrition in the world and, I recall, a majority of the world's stunted kids.
      - ceejayoz 2y ago
        It probably should not be surprising that poverty exists in India. Vegetarian or otherwise.
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- smegsicle 2y ago
  first world countries will be surprised to find that india is used as a positive example of anything
- nomel 2y ago
  They will not be surprised. * 60 to 75% of the population eats meat [1][2]. * Only 9% is vegan, so the remaining vegetarians still consumes dairy (Paneer, etc), and in some regions, the vegetarians eat eggs and fish. * 73% of the population has a protein deficiency [3]. 91% of the population consumes animal proteins, and they generally aren't getting enough. [1] https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2021/07/08/eight-in-ten-indians-limit-meat-in-their-diets-and-four-in-ten-consider-themselves-vegetarian/ https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2021/07/08/eight-in-... [2] https://www.statista.com/statistics/1272322/india-typical-eating-styles/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1272322/india-typical-ea... [3] https://www.orfonline.org/expert-speak/indias-protein-deficiency-and-the-need-to-address-the-problem https://www.orfonline.org/expert-speak/indias-protein-defici...
  - ceejayoz 2y ago
    > * 60 to 75% of the population eats meat [1][2]. Your link agrees with me; "39% of Indian adults describe themselves as 'vegetarian'". > 73% of the population has a protein deficiency... Is the population growing?

ceejayoz 2y ago

India will be surprised to find that population growth requires beef and chicken consumption, I suspect.

JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> India will be surprised to find that population growth requires beef and chicken consumption India is the sixth-largest consumer of chicken [1] and fourth-largest of beef [2] in the world. [1] https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/chicken-consumption-by-country https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/chicken-c... [2] https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/beef-consumption-by-country https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/beef-cons...
- ceejayoz 2y ago
  Because it's a huge country, but 40% are vegetarian. They seem to have kids and feed themselves reasonably well. Take a look at the per-capita numbers for the real story, where they're in the bottom 20 or so out of ~190.
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    Sure. The point is even with those low (but far from record low) per-capita numbers they still eat a lot of meat there.
    - ceejayoz 2y ago
      The point is meat/chicken consumption isn't required for population growth.
      - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
        Isn’t required but in practice occurs. With both population and wealth. We aren’t getting rid of chicken or beef any time soon.
        ceejayoz 2y ago
        > We aren’t getting rid of chicken or beef any time soon. This is a very different argument. We won't be. We could, in short order, if we all wanted to, without having to "ctrl-z the last ~60 years of population growth around the world" as asserted upthread.
        JumpCrisscross 2y ago
        > We could, in short order, if we all wanted to, without having to "ctrl-z the last ~60 years of population growth around the world" as asserted upthread This is akin to we could wish war away. Like sure. We could. If you want to reduce chicken consumption, the practical route is reducing population or wealth.
        fsflover 2y ago
        You could also promote nature-friendly lifestyle and support vegetarians somehow.
      - nomel 2y ago
        73% of the Indian population is protein deficient [1]. [1] https://www.orfonline.org/expert-speak/indias-protein-deficiency-and-the-need-to-address-the-problem https://www.orfonline.org/expert-speak/indias-protein-defici...
        ceejayoz 2y ago
        You've argued elsewhere in the thread that "60 to 75% of the population eats meat". Now you're arguing 73% are protein deficient. These are hard stats to combine into a "it's the not-meat-eating that's the problem"; either one stat is wrong/misleading (I suspect "meat" includes fish, for example), or there are other factors than "not enough chicken".
  - bongoman42 2y ago
    India has among the highest rates of child malnutrition in the world and, I recall, a majority of the world's stunted kids.
    - ceejayoz 2y ago
      It probably should not be surprising that poverty exists in India. Vegetarian or otherwise.
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smegsicle 2y ago
first world countries will be surprised to find that india is used as a positive example of anything
nomel 2y ago
They will not be surprised. * 60 to 75% of the population eats meat [1][2]. * Only 9% is vegan, so the remaining vegetarians still consumes dairy (Paneer, etc), and in some regions, the vegetarians eat eggs and fish. * 73% of the population has a protein deficiency [3]. 91% of the population consumes animal proteins, and they generally aren't getting enough. [1] https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2021/07/08/eight-in-ten-indians-limit-meat-in-their-diets-and-four-in-ten-consider-themselves-vegetarian/ https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2021/07/08/eight-in-... [2] https://www.statista.com/statistics/1272322/india-typical-eating-styles/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1272322/india-typical-ea... [3] https://www.orfonline.org/expert-speak/indias-protein-deficiency-and-the-need-to-address-the-problem https://www.orfonline.org/expert-speak/indias-protein-defici...
- ceejayoz 2y ago
  > * 60 to 75% of the population eats meat [1][2]. Your link agrees with me; "39% of Indian adults describe themselves as 'vegetarian'". > 73% of the population has a protein deficiency... Is the population growing?