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Kagi develops lots of features, but they seem to often be quarter-baked. Maps for example is basically unusable and has been for a while. (at least in Germany)

by erinnh 2y ago

Kagi develops lots of features, but they seem to often be quarter-baked. Maps for example is basically unusable and has been for a while. (at least in Germany) Trying to search for an address often leads Kagi maps to go to a different random address. Still love the search, but Id love for Kagi to concentrate on one thing at a time.

Aachen 2y ago
Where do I find the map feature? I'm curious to see if I can identify what data source and search software it is based on, since I've heard similar complaints about Nominatim and it is indeed finicky if you made a typo or don't know the exact address; it does no context search based on the current view afaik. Google really does do search well compared to the open source software I'm partial to, I gotta give them that Edit: ah if you horizontally scroll on the homepage there's a "search maps" thing. Putting in a street name near me that's unique in the world, it comes up with a lookalike name in another country. Definitely not any OpenStreetMap-based product I know of then, they usually aren't unliteral like that. Since the background map is Apple by default, I guess that's what the search is as well
- maronato 2y ago
  It’s in Search. It’s one of the types of search you can perform. Below the search input is a bar with “Images”, “Videos”, “News”, and “Maps”. Can also be found here: https://kagi.com/maps https://kagi.com/maps
- ac29 2y ago
  > I'm curious to see if I can identify what data source and search software it is based on Kagi uses Apple Maps
freediver 2y ago
We are focusing most our resources on search (which I hope you can agree, we are doing a pretty good job at). And it turns out search is not enough and you need other things - like maps (or a browser, because some browsers will not let you change search engine and our paid users can not use the service). Both are also incredibly hard to do right. If it appears quarter-baked (and I am first to say that we can and will definetely keep imporivng improving with our products), it is not for the lack of trying or ambition but the lack of resources. Kagi is 100% user-funded. So we need users, and we sometimes work on tools that do not bring us money directly, but bring us users (like Small Web, Universal Summarizer or Translate). It is all part of the plan. And it is a decade-long plan.
- ryanisnan 2y ago
  You do not need your own browser. Keep Firefox alive.
  - freediver 2y ago
    I beg to differ. The web does not need more ad-supported browsers. Orion is built for the users and paid for by the users. It stands against all that is wrong with the web today - advertisers and third parties tracking at every step - perhaps like Firefox used to do 15-20 years ago. We need more of Orion today, and more than ever.
    - hedora 2y ago
      Thank you for making Firefox plugins available for iOS. I pay for search, but not Orion. I assume you see that much of my paid Kagi search traffic comes from Orion, and put money into appropriate buckets.
    - ryanisnan 2y ago
      I think the community needs more browser options, sure, but I don't understand why Kagi needs Orion. It seems like a distraction to your core competencies. I'm curious if the writing is on the wall for search alone?
  - haarolean 2y ago
    Mozilla is digging a grave for Firefox with its own hands, we need something else non-chromium, which Orion serves fine. I just wish they'd focus on fewer things as has already been mentioned, rather than producing many half-baked things.
    - N-Krause 2y ago
      I have high hopes for ladybird being our savior in this regard.
- erinnh 2y ago
  I absolutely did not mean to imply that you did not want to improve the products. I did assume that you are missing the resources for the many products you develop. Its just very sad to show/recommend Kagi to people and then have them(or me) run into so many bugs, and sometimes product-breaking bugs. (such as Maps that I mentioned. because I would love to use Kagi maps, but its so broken that I just cant) Would love to travel 10 years into the future of Kagi's roadmap.

by erinnh 2y ago

Aachen 2y ago

Where do I find the map feature? I'm curious to see if I can identify what data source and search software it is based on, since I've heard similar complaints about Nominatim and it is indeed finicky if you made a typo or don't know the exact address; it does no context search based on the current view afaik. Google really does do search well compared to the open source software I'm partial to, I gotta give them that Edit: ah if you horizontally scroll on the homepage there's a "search maps" thing. Putting in a street name near me that's unique in the world, it comes up with a lookalike name in another country. Definitely not any OpenStreetMap-based product I know of then, they usually aren't unliteral like that. Since the background map is Apple by default, I guess that's what the search is as well

maronato 2y ago
It’s in Search. It’s one of the types of search you can perform. Below the search input is a bar with “Images”, “Videos”, “News”, and “Maps”. Can also be found here: https://kagi.com/maps https://kagi.com/maps
ac29 2y ago
> I'm curious to see if I can identify what data source and search software it is based on Kagi uses Apple Maps

freediver 2y ago

We are focusing most our resources on search (which I hope you can agree, we are doing a pretty good job at). And it turns out search is not enough and you need other things - like maps (or a browser, because some browsers will not let you change search engine and our paid users can not use the service). Both are also incredibly hard to do right. If it appears quarter-baked (and I am first to say that we can and will definetely keep imporivng improving with our products), it is not for the lack of trying or ambition but the lack of resources. Kagi is 100% user-funded. So we need users, and we sometimes work on tools that do not bring us money directly, but bring us users (like Small Web, Universal Summarizer or Translate). It is all part of the plan. And it is a decade-long plan.

ryanisnan 2y ago
You do not need your own browser. Keep Firefox alive.
- freediver 2y ago
  I beg to differ. The web does not need more ad-supported browsers. Orion is built for the users and paid for by the users. It stands against all that is wrong with the web today - advertisers and third parties tracking at every step - perhaps like Firefox used to do 15-20 years ago. We need more of Orion today, and more than ever.
  - hedora 2y ago
    Thank you for making Firefox plugins available for iOS. I pay for search, but not Orion. I assume you see that much of my paid Kagi search traffic comes from Orion, and put money into appropriate buckets.
  - ryanisnan 2y ago
    I think the community needs more browser options, sure, but I don't understand why Kagi needs Orion. It seems like a distraction to your core competencies. I'm curious if the writing is on the wall for search alone?
- haarolean 2y ago
  Mozilla is digging a grave for Firefox with its own hands, we need something else non-chromium, which Orion serves fine. I just wish they'd focus on fewer things as has already been mentioned, rather than producing many half-baked things.
  - N-Krause 2y ago
    I have high hopes for ladybird being our savior in this regard.
erinnh 2y ago
I absolutely did not mean to imply that you did not want to improve the products. I did assume that you are missing the resources for the many products you develop. Its just very sad to show/recommend Kagi to people and then have them(or me) run into so many bugs, and sometimes product-breaking bugs. (such as Maps that I mentioned. because I would love to use Kagi maps, but its so broken that I just cant) Would love to travel 10 years into the future of Kagi's roadmap.