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Why do I loath Biden? I blame him for the war in Ukraine from back when he was made vicar in 2014. Similarly, I'm aghast with the war in Gaza, so I was on the

Why do I loath Biden? I blame him for the war in Ukraine from back when he was made vicar in 2014. Similarly, I'm aghast with the war in Gaza, so I was on the fence on Trump.

6E696365 2y ago
Can you explain more about Biden's involvement in Ukraine or link to something I can read more about that? Why do you think Trump will be better for the war in Gaza? Genuinely asking.
- sbdhzjd 2y ago
  Biden has been meddling in Ukraine since the Maidan back in '14. He was basically in charge of the country after Maidan under Obama. Not enough has been written about this, but there's enough including a French documentary released back in 2018 or 2019. I have friends from the "wrong side" of Ukraine and their family has been shelled by Kiev since Maidan. As to Gaza, I see Trump and Kamala tied. I have to project Biden's admin onto her because otherwise she is completely devoid of content to judge her with. And this admin's record is that of Bibi bandolier. So on the bloodshed in Gaza they're tied. On the blood spilt in Ukraine Trump's ahead. Advantage Trump. Which leads me to Dr. Stein. A courageous Jewish woman who has the backbone to stand up to Bibi. EDIT: if you want to know more about it Stephen F Cohen, a lifelong liberal married to the editor of "The Nation" wrote a book about it "War with Russia?". It came out in '19 based on his weekly interviews by John Batchelor. Prof. Cohen died in '20 ('21?)
  - aguaviva 2y ago
    The same guy, in March 2014, claimed that he didn't know whether Russia had invaded Crimea.
  - sirbutters 2y ago
    It's not a tie for Gaza. Trump is the one who provoked and moved the US embassy to Jerusalem. With his SIL being jewish, and his love for authoritarian regime like Bibi's - in what world do you think he gives a flying F about Palestinians? The left disappointed us for Gaza, but Trump will be much worse. With regards to Ukraine - how do you judge the accuracy of the French documentary you watched? Who financed it? Even in a far fetched scenario where you believe Putin felt threaten with NATO closer to his borders - does that suddenly make it ok for him to invade a sovereign state? Especially given they made an agreement to respect their territory in exchange for Ukraine giving up their nukes? Oh right - Russia's word means sh!t. PS: Stein is fully in Putin's pocket. Don't buy the Green Party BS who only exists for a few months every 4 years.
    - sbdhzjd 2y ago
      "The left disappointed us for Gaza, but Trump will be much worse." The left "disappointed" you? That's a quaint way to describe material, personnel, logistical and diplomatic cover for a genocide. Real cute. By contrast, all we have on Trump are mean tweets and executing a (stupid) decision by Congress to move the embassy. "how do you judge the accuracy of the French documentary you watched? Who financed it?" It's one of a vast volume of data that have definitively proven Biden's role. It is coherent other sources in a way that the narrative we're fed by the likes of The Economist isn't. The French made an easily digestible documentary for those who want to wade into a complicated story. It's a starting point. Prof. Cohen's another. Btw, Hunter Biden's laptop - now validated in court - acknowledges Biden's culpability and form part of the whole of evidence. "Even in a far fetched scenario where you believe Putin felt threaten with NATO closer to his borders - does that suddenly make it ok for him to invade a sovereign state?" Do we really need to list the countries Democrat and GOP presidents have invaded for BS reasons? And Putin invaded for the genocide Banderites were committing in Donetsk. I have friends in Donetsk, so I have primary sources. "Especially given they made an agreement to respect their territory in exchange for Ukraine giving up their nukes?" The agreement also required Ukrainian neutrality,m. Meanwhile, Zelensky publicly declared in late '21 he wanted nukes. Anyway, there were the Minsk II accords that the Ukr. were in violation of. "PS: Stein is fully in Putin's pocket. Don't buy the Green Party BS who only exists for a few months every 4 years." Im not afraid of Putin. I'm afraid of the Lobby class in DC.
      - aguaviva 2y ago
        And Putin invaded for the genocide Banderites were committing in Donetsk. So how do you think it's possible that this "genocide" was taking place at the time, when even now, several years later -- you will not be able to find a single reliable report of any kind documenting it?
- s1artibartfast 2y ago
  It is all about NATO expansion into Ukraine and entirely avoidable. After hot debate, NATO declared that Ukraine would eventually become part of NATO in 2014. This led to Russia taking Crimea to send a message. NATO funded the expansion and upgrade of Ukrainian army for the next 6 years, and then reaffirmed the Ukraine would become a member in 2020, leading to the boarder buildup. Russia demanded Biden to disavow membership or face invasion, and Biden refused. From the Biden administration perspective it was a win win situation. Ukraine falls and NATO support grows. Russia fails, and Russia is weaker.
  - aguaviva 2y ago
    After hot debate, NATO declared that Ukraine would eventually become part of NATO in 2014. It did no such thing. NATO formally rejected Ukraine's membership application in 2008. And there it has sat, in the doghouse, ever since. This led to Russia taking Crimea to send a message. Russia's regime invaded the Crimea and Donbas on the 2014 on its own initiative, out of its own ideological motivations; nothing "led" it to take that action.
    - s1artibartfast 2y ago
      >We reiterate the decision made at the 2008 Bucharest Summit that Ukraine will become a member of the Alliance with the Membership Action Plan (MAP) as an integral part of the process[1] https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/news_185000.htm https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/news_185000.htm
      - aguaviva 2y ago
        That's just word salad, and doesn't change the central fact: NATO formally rejected Ukraine's membership application in 2008 It's exactly the same as when you get rejected by Google - of course you get a nice email (months later) saying that you're welcome to apply again. That's all that "aspirational" statement was. It wasn't a proclamation of anything of substance.
  - dragonwriter 2y ago

Why do I loath Biden? I blame him for the war in Ukraine from back when he was made vicar in 2014. Similarly, I'm aghast with the war in Gaza, so I was on the fence on Trump.

6E696365 2y ago

Can you explain more about Biden's involvement in Ukraine or link to something I can read more about that? Why do you think Trump will be better for the war in Gaza? Genuinely asking.

sbdhzjd 2y ago
Biden has been meddling in Ukraine since the Maidan back in '14. He was basically in charge of the country after Maidan under Obama. Not enough has been written about this, but there's enough including a French documentary released back in 2018 or 2019. I have friends from the "wrong side" of Ukraine and their family has been shelled by Kiev since Maidan. As to Gaza, I see Trump and Kamala tied. I have to project Biden's admin onto her because otherwise she is completely devoid of content to judge her with. And this admin's record is that of Bibi bandolier. So on the bloodshed in Gaza they're tied. On the blood spilt in Ukraine Trump's ahead. Advantage Trump. Which leads me to Dr. Stein. A courageous Jewish woman who has the backbone to stand up to Bibi. EDIT: if you want to know more about it Stephen F Cohen, a lifelong liberal married to the editor of "The Nation" wrote a book about it "War with Russia?". It came out in '19 based on his weekly interviews by John Batchelor. Prof. Cohen died in '20 ('21?)
- aguaviva 2y ago
  The same guy, in March 2014, claimed that he didn't know whether Russia had invaded Crimea.
- sirbutters 2y ago
  It's not a tie for Gaza. Trump is the one who provoked and moved the US embassy to Jerusalem. With his SIL being jewish, and his love for authoritarian regime like Bibi's - in what world do you think he gives a flying F about Palestinians? The left disappointed us for Gaza, but Trump will be much worse. With regards to Ukraine - how do you judge the accuracy of the French documentary you watched? Who financed it? Even in a far fetched scenario where you believe Putin felt threaten with NATO closer to his borders - does that suddenly make it ok for him to invade a sovereign state? Especially given they made an agreement to respect their territory in exchange for Ukraine giving up their nukes? Oh right - Russia's word means sh!t. PS: Stein is fully in Putin's pocket. Don't buy the Green Party BS who only exists for a few months every 4 years.
  - sbdhzjd 2y ago
    "The left disappointed us for Gaza, but Trump will be much worse." The left "disappointed" you? That's a quaint way to describe material, personnel, logistical and diplomatic cover for a genocide. Real cute. By contrast, all we have on Trump are mean tweets and executing a (stupid) decision by Congress to move the embassy. "how do you judge the accuracy of the French documentary you watched? Who financed it?" It's one of a vast volume of data that have definitively proven Biden's role. It is coherent other sources in a way that the narrative we're fed by the likes of The Economist isn't. The French made an easily digestible documentary for those who want to wade into a complicated story. It's a starting point. Prof. Cohen's another. Btw, Hunter Biden's laptop - now validated in court - acknowledges Biden's culpability and form part of the whole of evidence. "Even in a far fetched scenario where you believe Putin felt threaten with NATO closer to his borders - does that suddenly make it ok for him to invade a sovereign state?" Do we really need to list the countries Democrat and GOP presidents have invaded for BS reasons? And Putin invaded for the genocide Banderites were committing in Donetsk. I have friends in Donetsk, so I have primary sources. "Especially given they made an agreement to respect their territory in exchange for Ukraine giving up their nukes?" The agreement also required Ukrainian neutrality,m. Meanwhile, Zelensky publicly declared in late '21 he wanted nukes. Anyway, there were the Minsk II accords that the Ukr. were in violation of. "PS: Stein is fully in Putin's pocket. Don't buy the Green Party BS who only exists for a few months every 4 years." Im not afraid of Putin. I'm afraid of the Lobby class in DC.
    - aguaviva 2y ago
      And Putin invaded for the genocide Banderites were committing in Donetsk. So how do you think it's possible that this "genocide" was taking place at the time, when even now, several years later -- you will not be able to find a single reliable report of any kind documenting it?
s1artibartfast 2y ago
It is all about NATO expansion into Ukraine and entirely avoidable. After hot debate, NATO declared that Ukraine would eventually become part of NATO in 2014. This led to Russia taking Crimea to send a message. NATO funded the expansion and upgrade of Ukrainian army for the next 6 years, and then reaffirmed the Ukraine would become a member in 2020, leading to the boarder buildup. Russia demanded Biden to disavow membership or face invasion, and Biden refused. From the Biden administration perspective it was a win win situation. Ukraine falls and NATO support grows. Russia fails, and Russia is weaker.
- aguaviva 2y ago
  After hot debate, NATO declared that Ukraine would eventually become part of NATO in 2014. It did no such thing. NATO formally rejected Ukraine's membership application in 2008. And there it has sat, in the doghouse, ever since. This led to Russia taking Crimea to send a message. Russia's regime invaded the Crimea and Donbas on the 2014 on its own initiative, out of its own ideological motivations; nothing "led" it to take that action.
  - s1artibartfast 2y ago
    >We reiterate the decision made at the 2008 Bucharest Summit that Ukraine will become a member of the Alliance with the Membership Action Plan (MAP) as an integral part of the process[1] https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/news_185000.htm https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/news_185000.htm
    - aguaviva 2y ago
      That's just word salad, and doesn't change the central fact: NATO formally rejected Ukraine's membership application in 2008 It's exactly the same as when you get rejected by Google - of course you get a nice email (months later) saying that you're welcome to apply again. That's all that "aspirational" statement was. It wasn't a proclamation of anything of substance.
- dragonwriter 2y ago