> aesthetes like Jobs Just want to point out that Steve Jobs merely happened to be really good at aesthetics (which is more downstream from how he was really g

> aesthetes like Jobs Just want to point out that Steve Jobs merely happened to be really good at aesthetics (which is more downstream from how he was really good at manipulating people). Reading up on his life's story is pretty revealing in the sense that if he hadn't run into someone like Wozniak, he probably would've ended up like Zuckerberg or Thiel and had more in common with them than people would realize. (Not necessarily much in common with Musk though, who is his own particular brand of awful.) He had very little morals outside of "whatever gets me ahead in the world", and it's just that Wozniak's actual skill with computers meant that translated to Apple instead of skeezier things. Apple was itself founded on money that Jobs stole from Wozniak after all (money that Wozniak later pointed out he would just have given to Jobs anyway if he told him what the plan was.) The fact he made Apple isn't anything to scoff at, but one wrong turn in life and he probably would've ended up in the same position as most other awful tech billionaires (and unlike most of them, he wouldn't have been a charisma void.)