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Fission is "simple" but it seems every designer in the XX century made it as much complicated as possible for not so great reasons (and don't even get me starte

Fission is "simple" but it seems every designer in the XX century made it as much complicated as possible for not so great reasons (and don't even get me started on the "let's not use breeding reactors" stuff) Cooling that requires pumps, as an example, should be a non-starter in new projects.

rob74 2y ago
The designs are complicated, well, because in practice it's not as simple as "put these rocks next to each other and they get hot". When you put the rocks next to each other, they not only get hot, but also emit some nasty radiation that has to be shielded. And if the rocks get a liiiitle bit too close together, they might explode, which leads to huge headaches for everyone involved, so you'd better make sure that doesn't happen...
- meindnoch 2y ago
  >And if the rocks get a liiiitle bit too close together, they might explode Impossible. Worst thing that can happen without carefully designed explosive lens is a nuclear fizzle.
  - empath75 2y ago
    There are lots of ways that nuclear plants can explode or fail in otherwise catastrophic ways, it doesn't need to be an atomic explosion.
    - meindnoch 2y ago
      Parent was alluding to a nuclear explosion, not a steam explosion or other type of explosion. Other kinds of explosions have nothing to do with the fissile material ("rocks" in their parlance) being "too close together". Steam explosions in particular are caused by boiling water, due to increased reactor power, or inadequate circulation of coolant. In a nuclear reactor, the fuel cells are held in a fixed matrix, and are not moving an inch closer to each other, whether the reactor is operating normally, or a steam explosion is imminent. In general, nobody was disputing the possibility of steam explosions, or other type of failures at nuclear power plants, thus your comment is besides the point, and irrelevant to this subthread.
SoftTalker 2y ago
Weapons proliferation concerns is/was the reason fission power is so complicated.

rob74 2y ago

The designs are complicated, well, because in practice it's not as simple as "put these rocks next to each other and they get hot". When you put the rocks next to each other, they not only get hot, but also emit some nasty radiation that has to be shielded. And if the rocks get a liiiitle bit too close together, they might explode, which leads to huge headaches for everyone involved, so you'd better make sure that doesn't happen...

meindnoch 2y ago
>And if the rocks get a liiiitle bit too close together, they might explode Impossible. Worst thing that can happen without carefully designed explosive lens is a nuclear fizzle.
- empath75 2y ago
  There are lots of ways that nuclear plants can explode or fail in otherwise catastrophic ways, it doesn't need to be an atomic explosion.
  - meindnoch 2y ago
    Parent was alluding to a nuclear explosion, not a steam explosion or other type of explosion. Other kinds of explosions have nothing to do with the fissile material ("rocks" in their parlance) being "too close together". Steam explosions in particular are caused by boiling water, due to increased reactor power, or inadequate circulation of coolant. In a nuclear reactor, the fuel cells are held in a fixed matrix, and are not moving an inch closer to each other, whether the reactor is operating normally, or a steam explosion is imminent. In general, nobody was disputing the possibility of steam explosions, or other type of failures at nuclear power plants, thus your comment is besides the point, and irrelevant to this subthread.

SoftTalker 2y ago

Weapons proliferation concerns is/was the reason fission power is so complicated.