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> As someone else mentioned, see Iran, before and after. Things can change quickly, and the US does feel like it's in a rather dangerous spot these days. What

> As someone else mentioned, see Iran, before and after. Things can change quickly, and the US does feel like it's in a rather dangerous spot these days. What part of Project 2025 (which Trump has publicly disavowed) are you actually afraid of, where Republicans would actually be able to and would take action? Also, on that note, can you point to a single part of Project 2025, from what I understand, that even the Democratic Party would not have been running on just three decades ago? After all, it was Bill Clinton who signed the Defense of Marriage Act. Going "backwards" (a cultural reaction saying we went too far, too fast) is not to be confused with an Iranian revolution. Politics is a pendulum - it swings left, it swings right. A swinging back right after it culturally swung left for so long, is not a sign the pendulum is broken.

rsynnott 2y ago
I mean if I lived in the US I'd be _very_ bloody concerned about attempts to strip rights from gay people; if nothing else, I _am_ one. However, as previously mentioned, his judicial appointments seem more of a realistic risk than Project 2025.
- gjsman-1000 2y ago
  > attempts to strip rights from gay people; if nothing else, I _am_ one While we can debate the merits of that and people have strong feelings on that, even that would not be a sign of our democracy's failure. It would be a sign that we are culturally swinging back on the pendulum... about 16 years to Obama's first term. Obama was vocally against legalization in 2008. That's not the end of the world, an Iranian revolution, a sign the pendulum of democracy is broken, or a reason to panic that it won't come back in the future. Democracy has never been, and is not required to be, the overly simplistic view of a straight line. For the record, even if I disagree with Trump, he would not be a fascist for holding the 2008 position of Obama, any more than Obama was a fascist at the time. And he doesn't even hold that position - Trump is not running on restricting gay marriage. Even if his judges did, to call them fascist for stepping back a decade and a half, just waters-down the term fascist.

rsynnott 2y ago

I mean if I lived in the US I'd be _very_ bloody concerned about attempts to strip rights from gay people; if nothing else, I _am_ one. However, as previously mentioned, his judicial appointments seem more of a realistic risk than Project 2025.

gjsman-1000 2y ago
> attempts to strip rights from gay people; if nothing else, I _am_ one While we can debate the merits of that and people have strong feelings on that, even that would not be a sign of our democracy's failure. It would be a sign that we are culturally swinging back on the pendulum... about 16 years to Obama's first term. Obama was vocally against legalization in 2008. That's not the end of the world, an Iranian revolution, a sign the pendulum of democracy is broken, or a reason to panic that it won't come back in the future. Democracy has never been, and is not required to be, the overly simplistic view of a straight line. For the record, even if I disagree with Trump, he would not be a fascist for holding the 2008 position of Obama, any more than Obama was a fascist at the time. And he doesn't even hold that position - Trump is not running on restricting gay marriage. Even if his judges did, to call them fascist for stepping back a decade and a half, just waters-down the term fascist.