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Meta does a U-turn, will share its technology with Five Eyes members
- nsagent 2y agoPlease change the title to be less sensationalist. The title from the article is perfectly acceptable.
- JohnMakin 2y agoIt's not inaccurate though? This is a complete reversal.
- rsstack 2y agoHN guidelines are "please use the original title, unless it is misleading or linkbait; don't editorialize."
- mossTechnician 2y agoThe original wording confuses because it can easily be interpreted in the passive sense.
- rsstack 2y agoThe decision on the title was already made - in the source. Unless the source violated HN guidelines, its title should be kept as is and not "improved".
- sourcepluck 2y agoTo you and GP - I think the original title was misleading, and I tried not to and hope I succeeded in not editorialising. Editorialising is injecting personal opinion instead of focusing on the facts, which is the opposite of what I did. I removed the misleading ambiguity and instead stated as clearly and shortly as I could the essence of the story. The original title leaves open the idea that this decision doesn't have a precedent which it is overturning, which is unnecessary and misleading. And the original title strongly implies that the recent revelation from Meta only relates to the U.S., which similarly is not true and is misleading. For a U.S. audience that might seem to make sense, but HN has international readers.
- 8338550bff96 2y agoThe levenshtein distance of the title is 50. Considering the title is 62 characters, I would say it is not accurate.
- dylan604 2y agoAlso in the news, water is wet. Seriously, does this surprise anyone?
- ChrisArchitect 2y ago[dupe] More discussion on the source: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42048009 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42048009
- sourcepluck 2y agoI did a search before posting, of a couple of terms including "Meta", sorted by Date, and didn't spot that. I don't know how I missed it!
- ChrisArchitect 2y agoSearch for the source NYT article, as this slashdot post is simply aggregation
- sourcepluck 2y agoI am looking into it there in order to avoid similar mistakes in future, and thank you for pointing this out, I think I had seen the rule about posting the original source but didn't carefully go over the rules before posting. It is certainly cemented for me now. I think maybe the Bloomberg article [https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-11-04/meta-opens-llama-ai-models-to-us-defense-agencies-contractors https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-11-04/meta-open...] might be the actual original. But that is less significant a difference.
- BadHumans 2y agoI just assumed this was already happening despite what they publicly said.
- double0jimb0 2y agoMay as well get a little national PR out of it given current geopolitics.
- rgbswan 2y agoGenerally the correct way to think about news like this, I believe. Like when Apple pretended to not work with the agencies when Apple hardware needed to be unlocked ...
- Noble6 2y agoAre you talking about the California shooting in 2015, where the FBI asked Apple to decrypt the phone? The way I recall it being resolved was some contractor decrypted it after Apple refused to
- fsflover 2y agoAnd before that, Snowden leaks suggested that Apple worked with NSA.
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- jmyeet 2y agoThis year tech founders, who were once mavericks, have gone increasingly mask-off. Zuckerberg, Thiel (OK, he was always mask-off), Pichai, Elon (Ok, he's been awful for years), etc have been increasingly cozying up with the Trump campaign and (now) incoming administration. You see this in Meta's entirely hypocritical (and dangerous) suppression of speech [1]. All of these companies are increasingly moving in lockstep with the US State Department. Core to that is the insitutional belief that China is The Enemy [tm]. Banning Tiktok reflects this new reality and has the added benefit of banning a competitor who is eating Meta alive, for example. People who were attracted to tech were often idealistic. I wonder what this will do to staff retention and hiring as people increasingly realize their Big Tech employer is increasingly indistinguishable from a defense contractor like Lockheed Martin, Raytheon or Northron Grumman. AI and technology are weapons [2]. We've come a long from building tools to find and build community to beging a weapon in the American arsenal. [1]: https://www.hrw.org/report/2023/12/21/metas-broken-promises/systemic-censorship-palestine-content-instagram-and https://www.hrw.org/report/2023/12/21/metas-broken-promises/... [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI-assisted_targeting_in_the_Gaza_Strip https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI-assisted_targeting_in_the_G...
- aassddffasdf 2y agoWeapons are good actually.
- backtoyoujim 2y agoSpoken like someone that hasn't had been a weapon's victim. The true American Exceptionalism.
- graemep 2y agoMost countries think its good they have weapons. Democracies often worry about who they should supply weapons too, but rarely doubt themselves and close allies should have them.
- renewiltord 2y agoThe point of having weapons is to make sure the other guy is the victim because if you don’t have any you become the victim. But you do what you want to do. America is going to go guns guns guns.
- kombine 2y ago> as well as defense-focused tech companies including Palantir Is it the same Palantir that provided tech for Israel's massacres in Gaza?
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- danesparza 2y agoYes. https://www.palantir.com/assets/xrfr7uokpv1b/3MuEeA8MLbLDAyxixTsiIe/9e4a11a7fb058554a8a1e3cd83e31c09/C134184_finaleprint.pdf https://www.palantir.com/assets/xrfr7uokpv1b/3MuEeA8MLbLDAyx...
- kombine 2y agoYeah, the latest LLAMA 3.2 will allow IDF to kill Palestinians more efficiently https://www.thenation.com/article/world/nsa-palantir-israel-gaza-ai/ https://www.thenation.com/article/world/nsa-palantir-israel-...
- CommanderData 2y agoThanks for posting this , must of missed this piece of news.
- renewiltord 2y agoPalantir is a Thiel company. A Thiel protégé is VP now. Mark Z and friends can see the writing on the wall.
- ein0p 2y agoGoogle, too. Likely AWS as well. "It's different, you don't understand". No walkouts, no protests, no nothing. The biggest protest I've seen were like a half dozen folks at Google who immediately got fired. Remember Maven? Those were the days. 3100 signatures, walkouts, etc [1]. Was it because Trump was in the White House? Is this conditional on the administration? Will we see it again next year? There are many interesting questions. [1] https://archive.is/UuZRN https://archive.is/UuZRN
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- wkat4242 2y agoHey cool that Slashdot still exists. I wasn't aware. And cool to see they didn't fall for the ultra-low-density hype that most mainstream sites subscribe to now (recently Ars Technica fell prey to this too with HUGE text and pics ) I miss that tagline though. "News for nerds. Stuff that matters" <3 I stopped using it back in the day because it was so American-centric. Hacker news is a better tracker for me.
- swiftcoder 2y agoWhen I was at Facebook, Mark straight-up said in an all-hands that as a patriot, if asked, he would provide his country with military assistance in the form of software and intel. This to an audience that is about 1/3 foreign employees, who are all sitting there going "even when it's my country the US is invading?"
- myworkinisgood 2y agoQuestion is, does he have a choice>
- bombcar 2y agoThere's a huge difference between willing and helpful, and reluctant and recalcitrant. The first immediately replies to any request and offers additional information the requestor may not have even known to ask for, the second fights everything in court and drags feet as much as possible. On paper they may seem very similar, on the ground they're entirely different.
- alex1138 2y agoYeah so if you ever need info on people at Harvard just ask ... people just submitted it ... they 'trust me', dumb fucks https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1692122 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1692122
- ks2048 2y agoThe traditional idea of military patriotism is fighting and potentially dying on the front lines, while for Zuckerberg, it is accepting lucrative government contracts and exposing his customers' data.
- MarkMarine 2y agoThe traditional idea of military patriotism you have is a myth created by the rich and powerful, who always used it to get more rich and powerful.
- cityzen 2y agoSo now they need my personal info to make hamburgers???