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>Who would have thought the US would become a fundamentalist religious state? This sort of tedious, completely deluded hyperbole is becoming ridiculous, partly

>Who would have thought the US would become a fundamentalist religious state? This sort of tedious, completely deluded hyperbole is becoming ridiculous, partly, it seems, as a result of Trump derangement syndrome. No, the U.S. is not a fundamentalist religious state or anything close to it and no, it's not sliding further in that direction now than was previously the case. I challenge you to name one damn piece of concrete evidence showing this nonsense to be the case. It's almost amusing to see the kinds of stupidities many people blandly assert about the overall situation because something specific is going in a way they don't like. I mean seriously, would you remotely, and with a straight face, compare the U.S. in terms of religious intolerance (an axiomatic requirement to being a fundamentalist religious state) with genuinely fundamentalist religious states like the multiple examples in the Islamic world, or say, 15th century European states?

FrustratedMonky 2y ago
I'm constantly bombarded with Trump promoting marketing that literally call the Democratic party a demonic possessed institution. Christian nationalist are calling for a holy war. They literally believe Democrats drink the blood of babies. Go read Project 2025. It is clearly a fundamentalist's religious agenda. And it isn't some conspiracy theory. It is public, you can go read it. Iran had a secular liberal government before the Revolution. Why do you think it can't happen here? That was recent, not ancient history. That is the goal. ""This is really a battle between good and evil," evangelical TV preacher Hank Kunneman says of the slew of criminal charges facing Donald Trump. "There's something on President Trump that the enemy fears: It's called the anointing." The Nebraska pastor, who was speaking on cable news show "FlashPoint" last summer, is among several voices in Christian media pressing a message of Biblical proportions: The 2024 presidential race is a fight for America's soul, and a persecuted Trump has God's protection." "The hand of God is on him and he cannot be stopped." 'SO GOD GAVE US TRUMP' https://www.reuters.com/world/us/god-gave-us-trump-christian-media-evangelicals-preach-messianic-message-2024-03-22/ https://www.reuters.com/world/us/god-gave-us-trump-christian... Old School business focused Republican's need to wake up to who they are in bed with.
- lupusreal 2y ago
  Trump and his supporters can talk as much shit as they want, because it's still a free country. A free country where people can talk shit in both directions, choose their own religion, or none at all. Nobody is persecuting me for being an atheist, America hasn't and won't turn into a theocracy, no matter how much shit Trump talks. The election propaganda on both sides was way over-the-top, but the effect it had on people's psyches will wear off soon enough and a lot of people will be left feeling quite embarrassed for being sucked into it.
  - FrustratedMonky 2y ago
    I guess I also hope that. But it seems like 'cope'. It's only a free country, until it isn't. I want to agree. But it seems like the kind of reasoning people use when they are 'hoping' for the best. 'It wont be that bad'. Sure. Maybe as an atheist, you are not feeling persecuted, today. Ask a trans person if they are feeling any persecution. They are literally being beaten up, lives threatened. It's same old story, when they come for you, who will be left to help. Women have less rights today than they had before Trump. That is a persecuted group. You can't say that isn't religiously motivated.
    - lupusreal 2y ago
      Cope? Here's some more then: hyperbolic rhetoric is a staple of the American political process. Twenty years ago it was "Bush is a Nazi". I never liked him and think his wars were criminal, but he simply wasn't a Nazi. It was hyperbolic partisan rhetoric, just as it is today. They also said he was going to turn America into a theocracy, and he never did that either. Second point: the doomsday scenarios about Trump ending democracy require several leaps of faith to believe. Even if we assume that "you'll never have to vote again" was an announcement of his intent to cancel future elections, rather than a plea to people who are usually reluctant to vote at all, believing it will actually happen requires believing that he's not lying, believing he actually has the ability to pull it off, and believing he actually has the spine. Revolutionaries are very rarely old men, he's already proven himself to be generally incompetent and broadly unable to pick loyal deputies, and he's an established liar. All of this points to him being a wet fart, not a serious threat to American democracy. Third, concerning his previous insurrection attempt, the men he managed to mobilize were so incompetent they forgot to bring guns with them. Or maybe it actually was a protest and the insurrection narrative is hyperbole. Either way, I'm not scared of this man. Fourth, with respect to trans people being beaten up... When haven't they been? I find it hard to take a plot line drawn between this point and theocracy seriously.

FrustratedMonky 2y ago

I'm constantly bombarded with Trump promoting marketing that literally call the Democratic party a demonic possessed institution. Christian nationalist are calling for a holy war. They literally believe Democrats drink the blood of babies. Go read Project 2025. It is clearly a fundamentalist's religious agenda. And it isn't some conspiracy theory. It is public, you can go read it. Iran had a secular liberal government before the Revolution. Why do you think it can't happen here? That was recent, not ancient history. That is the goal. ""This is really a battle between good and evil," evangelical TV preacher Hank Kunneman says of the slew of criminal charges facing Donald Trump. "There's something on President Trump that the enemy fears: It's called the anointing." The Nebraska pastor, who was speaking on cable news show "FlashPoint" last summer, is among several voices in Christian media pressing a message of Biblical proportions: The 2024 presidential race is a fight for America's soul, and a persecuted Trump has God's protection." "The hand of God is on him and he cannot be stopped." 'SO GOD GAVE US TRUMP' https://www.reuters.com/world/us/god-gave-us-trump-christian-media-evangelicals-preach-messianic-message-2024-03-22/ https://www.reuters.com/world/us/god-gave-us-trump-christian... Old School business focused Republican's need to wake up to who they are in bed with.

lupusreal 2y ago
Trump and his supporters can talk as much shit as they want, because it's still a free country. A free country where people can talk shit in both directions, choose their own religion, or none at all. Nobody is persecuting me for being an atheist, America hasn't and won't turn into a theocracy, no matter how much shit Trump talks. The election propaganda on both sides was way over-the-top, but the effect it had on people's psyches will wear off soon enough and a lot of people will be left feeling quite embarrassed for being sucked into it.
- FrustratedMonky 2y ago
  I guess I also hope that. But it seems like 'cope'. It's only a free country, until it isn't. I want to agree. But it seems like the kind of reasoning people use when they are 'hoping' for the best. 'It wont be that bad'. Sure. Maybe as an atheist, you are not feeling persecuted, today. Ask a trans person if they are feeling any persecution. They are literally being beaten up, lives threatened. It's same old story, when they come for you, who will be left to help. Women have less rights today than they had before Trump. That is a persecuted group. You can't say that isn't religiously motivated.
  - lupusreal 2y ago
    Cope? Here's some more then: hyperbolic rhetoric is a staple of the American political process. Twenty years ago it was "Bush is a Nazi". I never liked him and think his wars were criminal, but he simply wasn't a Nazi. It was hyperbolic partisan rhetoric, just as it is today. They also said he was going to turn America into a theocracy, and he never did that either. Second point: the doomsday scenarios about Trump ending democracy require several leaps of faith to believe. Even if we assume that "you'll never have to vote again" was an announcement of his intent to cancel future elections, rather than a plea to people who are usually reluctant to vote at all, believing it will actually happen requires believing that he's not lying, believing he actually has the ability to pull it off, and believing he actually has the spine. Revolutionaries are very rarely old men, he's already proven himself to be generally incompetent and broadly unable to pick loyal deputies, and he's an established liar. All of this points to him being a wet fart, not a serious threat to American democracy. Third, concerning his previous insurrection attempt, the men he managed to mobilize were so incompetent they forgot to bring guns with them. Or maybe it actually was a protest and the insurrection narrative is hyperbole. Either way, I'm not scared of this man. Fourth, with respect to trans people being beaten up... When haven't they been? I find it hard to take a plot line drawn between this point and theocracy seriously.