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None of this addresses the problem of making reality illegal not to mention that there is a monumental difference between illegally installing cameras and being

None of this addresses the problem of making reality illegal not to mention that there is a monumental difference between illegally installing cameras and being legally physically in women spaces. If you want to play dress up and be called something else good for you but forcing people by law to lie is tyranny.

mschuster91 2y ago
> None of this addresses the problem of making reality illegal. Recognizing that trans people exist in reality and providing them legal backing for it is not new. Trans (or gender-nonconforming, third gender or whatever you want to call it) people have been a thing for millennia. Even back in old Greece their existence was recognized [1], the Talmud has regulations on their status in society [2], various Southern Asian countries have some sort of legal recognition for them for centuries [3]. "Reality" is a societal definition, and nature alone provides a lot of interesting edge cases such as various sport stars who pass for females in all aspects including having vaginas but have chromosome sets (or hormonal levels) typically associated with males. [1] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androgynos https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androgynos [2] https://www.talmudology.com/jeremybrownmdgmailcom/2019/6/17/arachin-4b-the-tumtum-the-androgyne-and-the-invention-of-gender https://www.talmudology.com/jeremybrownmdgmailcom/2019/6/17/... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijra_(South_Asia) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijra_(South_Asia)
- akimbostrawman 2y ago
  >"Reality" is a societal definition Reality can be whatever crazy people want it to be
  - mschuster91 2y ago
    Given that I just posted evidence of non-binary people over millennia and at a large enough scale to warrant inclusion into legal systems, it's hard to call non-binary people "crazy" - they have always been a staple of humanity.
    - akimbostrawman 2y ago
      I'm sure glad 99.99% of people are now lawfully punished for not lying because of 0.01% crazy people
  - immibis 2y ago
    Crazy people have been trying to reshape reality to fit their two-gender ideology for thousands of years and it has never worked. It did bring us the most well known historical atrocity though.
    - akimbostrawman 2y ago
      made up claims as expected. Yeah how could people use 2 sexes when there are.....2 biological sexes...the horror.

mschuster91 2y ago

> None of this addresses the problem of making reality illegal. Recognizing that trans people exist in reality and providing them legal backing for it is not new. Trans (or gender-nonconforming, third gender or whatever you want to call it) people have been a thing for millennia. Even back in old Greece their existence was recognized [1], the Talmud has regulations on their status in society [2], various Southern Asian countries have some sort of legal recognition for them for centuries [3]. "Reality" is a societal definition, and nature alone provides a lot of interesting edge cases such as various sport stars who pass for females in all aspects including having vaginas but have chromosome sets (or hormonal levels) typically associated with males. [1] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androgynos https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androgynos [2] https://www.talmudology.com/jeremybrownmdgmailcom/2019/6/17/arachin-4b-the-tumtum-the-androgyne-and-the-invention-of-gender https://www.talmudology.com/jeremybrownmdgmailcom/2019/6/17/... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijra_(South_Asia) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijra_(South_Asia)

akimbostrawman 2y ago
>"Reality" is a societal definition Reality can be whatever crazy people want it to be
- mschuster91 2y ago
  Given that I just posted evidence of non-binary people over millennia and at a large enough scale to warrant inclusion into legal systems, it's hard to call non-binary people "crazy" - they have always been a staple of humanity.
  - akimbostrawman 2y ago
    I'm sure glad 99.99% of people are now lawfully punished for not lying because of 0.01% crazy people
- immibis 2y ago
  Crazy people have been trying to reshape reality to fit their two-gender ideology for thousands of years and it has never worked. It did bring us the most well known historical atrocity though.
  - akimbostrawman 2y ago
    made up claims as expected. Yeah how could people use 2 sexes when there are.....2 biological sexes...the horror.