> some of those people here who haven't seen real non-democracies make all sort of such unfounded claims. To anybody making such claim i suggest to visit my old

> some of those people here who haven't seen real non-democracies make all sort of such unfounded claims. To anybody making such claim i suggest to visit my old country - Russia - and try to use any rights supposedly guaranteed by Russian "democracy". Well, let's wait and see how it looks at the end of the next four years. It seems like your experience of countries that calk themselves democracies is the US and Russia? Two extremes for sure, but I don't think either of them provide a good model for what a liberal democracy can be.