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>like stripping away LGBT rights Not even a week ago a new law was signed that enables anyone to legally change there sex yearly while making it a finable offe

>like stripping away LGBT rights Not even a week ago a new law was signed that enables anyone to legally change there sex yearly while making it a finable offense up to 10.000€ to state reality. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-Determination_Act_(Germany) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-Determination_Act_(Germ... I think crazy people is very fitting.

mschuster91 2y ago
> Not even a week ago a new law was signed that enables anyone to legally change there sex yearly while making it a finable offense up to 10.000€ to state reality. First of all, that's Germany, not the US. Second, the only people who will realistically be using this right are trans people whose legal situation has been defined by a very old law that has been partially declared unconstitutional multiple times for years now. Of course, there will be trolls abusing it - but it's expensive, so TBH I do not expect more than a dozen dumbasses going through with it. Even name change after a marriage is a huge fucking deal of bureaucracy. I went through that one just a year ago. Banks, authorities, association memberships of all kinds, billing changes for tons of services, new name => new card => new CC number, probably the associated effort cost me well over 5000€ if I include the value of my time, and probably around 1000€ in travel (dual citizenship) and fees for new documents. And for fucks sake it's a smokescreen anyway. There was nothing stopping creeps from invading women's toilets, installing cameras or outright raping women before, and such cases were on the regular. The new SBGG changes absolutely nothing, sexual coercion, rape and other abusive behavior were and will remain crimes.
- akimbostrawman 2y ago
  None of this addresses the problem of making reality illegal not to mention that there is a monumental difference between illegally installing cameras and being legally physically in women spaces. If you want to play dress up and be called something else good for you but forcing people by law to lie is tyranny.
  - mschuster91 2y ago
    > None of this addresses the problem of making reality illegal. Recognizing that trans people exist in reality and providing them legal backing for it is not new. Trans (or gender-nonconforming, third gender or whatever you want to call it) people have been a thing for millennia. Even back in old Greece their existence was recognized [1], the Talmud has regulations on their status in society [2], various Southern Asian countries have some sort of legal recognition for them for centuries [3]. "Reality" is a societal definition, and nature alone provides a lot of interesting edge cases such as various sport stars who pass for females in all aspects including having vaginas but have chromosome sets (or hormonal levels) typically associated with males. [1] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androgynos https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androgynos [2] https://www.talmudology.com/jeremybrownmdgmailcom/2019/6/17/arachin-4b-the-tumtum-the-androgyne-and-the-invention-of-gender https://www.talmudology.com/jeremybrownmdgmailcom/2019/6/17/... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijra_(South_Asia) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijra_(South_Asia)
    - akimbostrawman 2y ago
      >"Reality" is a societal definition Reality can be whatever crazy people want it to be
      - mschuster91 2y ago
        Given that I just posted evidence of non-binary people over millennia and at a large enough scale to warrant inclusion into legal systems, it's hard to call non-binary people "crazy" - they have always been a staple of humanity.
        akimbostrawman 2y ago
        I'm sure glad 99.99% of people are now lawfully punished for not lying because of 0.01% crazy people
      - immibis 2y ago
        Crazy people have been trying to reshape reality to fit their two-gender ideology for thousands of years and it has never worked. It did bring us the most well known historical atrocity though.

mschuster91 2y ago

> Not even a week ago a new law was signed that enables anyone to legally change there sex yearly while making it a finable offense up to 10.000€ to state reality. First of all, that's Germany, not the US. Second, the only people who will realistically be using this right are trans people whose legal situation has been defined by a very old law that has been partially declared unconstitutional multiple times for years now. Of course, there will be trolls abusing it - but it's expensive, so TBH I do not expect more than a dozen dumbasses going through with it. Even name change after a marriage is a huge fucking deal of bureaucracy. I went through that one just a year ago. Banks, authorities, association memberships of all kinds, billing changes for tons of services, new name => new card => new CC number, probably the associated effort cost me well over 5000€ if I include the value of my time, and probably around 1000€ in travel (dual citizenship) and fees for new documents. And for fucks sake it's a smokescreen anyway. There was nothing stopping creeps from invading women's toilets, installing cameras or outright raping women before, and such cases were on the regular. The new SBGG changes absolutely nothing, sexual coercion, rape and other abusive behavior were and will remain crimes.

akimbostrawman 2y ago
None of this addresses the problem of making reality illegal not to mention that there is a monumental difference between illegally installing cameras and being legally physically in women spaces. If you want to play dress up and be called something else good for you but forcing people by law to lie is tyranny.
- mschuster91 2y ago
  > None of this addresses the problem of making reality illegal. Recognizing that trans people exist in reality and providing them legal backing for it is not new. Trans (or gender-nonconforming, third gender or whatever you want to call it) people have been a thing for millennia. Even back in old Greece their existence was recognized [1], the Talmud has regulations on their status in society [2], various Southern Asian countries have some sort of legal recognition for them for centuries [3]. "Reality" is a societal definition, and nature alone provides a lot of interesting edge cases such as various sport stars who pass for females in all aspects including having vaginas but have chromosome sets (or hormonal levels) typically associated with males. [1] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androgynos https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androgynos [2] https://www.talmudology.com/jeremybrownmdgmailcom/2019/6/17/arachin-4b-the-tumtum-the-androgyne-and-the-invention-of-gender https://www.talmudology.com/jeremybrownmdgmailcom/2019/6/17/... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijra_(South_Asia) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijra_(South_Asia)
  - akimbostrawman 2y ago
    >"Reality" is a societal definition Reality can be whatever crazy people want it to be
    - mschuster91 2y ago
      Given that I just posted evidence of non-binary people over millennia and at a large enough scale to warrant inclusion into legal systems, it's hard to call non-binary people "crazy" - they have always been a staple of humanity.
      - akimbostrawman 2y ago
        I'm sure glad 99.99% of people are now lawfully punished for not lying because of 0.01% crazy people
    - immibis 2y ago
      Crazy people have been trying to reshape reality to fit their two-gender ideology for thousands of years and it has never worked. It did bring us the most well known historical atrocity though.