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The Deterioration of Google
- ggm 2y agoSurely if you're dependent on search, you don't HAVE organic business no matter that they call it organic search traffic? "that thing I get from whosit but I don't recall them yea them" is kind of always going to be very variable. That said a colleague said when his brother-in-law stopped paying for placement his printer/toner supply business tanked, despite him believing they knew who he was. Nobody knows anyone.
- RoderickBeck 2y agoMachine learning is by definition a black box. Nonlinear statistical models with huge numbers of parameters to be estimated.
- kjrfghslkdjfl 2y ago[dead]
- openrisk 2y agoExplainability towards users is essential if there is any sort of responsibility for what the model produces. But explainability at a deeper level is also critical towards developers, to close the feedback loop and iterate towards better models.
- faggotbreath 2y ago[flagged]
- DeathArrow 2y agoNot all machine learning. Neural networks.
- kjrfghslkdjfl 2y ago[dead]
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- DeathArrow 2y agoMaybe Google doesn't want people to reach businesses from search results and they want businesses to pay for ads so people can reach them.
- slowmovintarget 2y agoMaybe? Search hasn't been search for a long time. It's been a dynamic feed masquerading as search results.
- aorth 2y agoOn one of my sites I received a million requests from Googlebot before lunchtime today. Those requests were spread over hundreds of IPs. I get similar traffic from them and other hyper scalers daily. I'm just one guy. I don't have load balancers and endless engineering budget. I'm sick of this.
- phreeza 2y agoDo they not respect the crawl-delay directive in robots.txt?
- DeathArrow 2y agoEveryone is complaining about Google since years ago. But no one has built a good alternative. Is it a bad business idea?
- selivanovp 2y agoGood alternatives exist, like Yandex. But it's close to impossible to compete with google's resources and platform lock in Android and chrome.
- iamthepieman 2y agoIf you can afford it, please try kagi[0]. It's not a panacea. It IS a lot better than Google and has been for some time. [0] https://kagi.com/welcome https://kagi.com/welcome
- leotravis10 2y agoSpeaking of which, they're just no better. https://d-shoot.net/kagi.html https://d-shoot.net/kagi.html There's a postmortem update at the end of this post. Related discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40011314 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40011314
- sebazzz 2y agoThe search is better. That is what I pay for. And the summarization is actually quite useful.
- leotravis10 2y agoMy gut feeling is that you didn't even read the piece. Read first then get back at me.
- sebazzz 2y agoWrong gut feeling then. It complains about Kagi not focusing on what their unique proposition is, and then about the t-shirts. That can all be true, at the same time as their core product is still also great.
- iamthepieman 2y agoI read this in a previous discussion of kagi. Not going to read it again but if I recall it was more than half complaining about things not at all related to kagi search. Stuff like how they manage their finances and administration. Sure that effects how well they can deliver search at some level but ultimately if their search is better than alternatives then I'm gonna keep paying them.
- josefritzishere 2y agoAt some point, their business model being replicable, they plant the seeds for their own future compeition.
- johnea 2y agoGoggle stock is rising, executive pay is some of the highest in the world. What is the "deterioration" of which you speak? Search results, either reading them, or getting listed in them, is a user experience. Why should goggle, or any for-profit company, care at all about user experience outside of the compainy's profit margins and growth? Once again, let's refer to Dr. Frankenfurter's famous quote: "I didn't make it for you!"