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While basic core is about the same, different democracies have different guaranteed rights. And my comment, after living here for 25 years, was naturally US-cen

by trhway 2y ago

While basic core is about the same, different democracies have different guaranteed rights. And my comment, after living here for 25 years, was naturally US-centric. US guarantees free speech right including the right to deny Holocaust, so even that right to deny Holocaust has to be protected. US also has for example gun rights which also thus have to be protected. Other democracies for example don't have gun rights, and as you correctly noted have slightly different understanding and scope of the free speech.

esperent 2y ago
It's kind of ironic that you're treating the US as the exceptional, canonical example of democracy on an article making the claim that perhaps it shouldn't even be called a democracy at all anymore. At the very least, I think you have to accept that all these other places which don't guarantee freedom of speech to hateful people have just as much, if not more, claim to being democracies, and that therefore, freedom of speech for all possible minorities is not actually a fundamental part of being a democracy.
- trhway 2y ago
  >an article making the claim that perhaps it shouldn't even be called a democracy at all anymore. some of those people here who haven't seen real non-democracies make all sort of such unfounded claims. To anybody making such claim i suggest to visit my old country - Russia - and try to use any rights supposedly guaranteed by Russian "democracy". >you have to accept that all these other places which don't guarantee freedom of speech to hateful people have just as much, if not more, claim to being democracies as long as they deliver on their guarantees of rights they are good democracies too. I just personally like US style more. Including how for example Congress is elected - individual elections instead of parties lists (like say in Germany). > freedom of speech for all possible minorities is not actually a fundamental part of being a democracy. it is fundamental part of the US democracy because it is guaranteed as such a right here.
  - esperent 2y ago
    > some of those people here who haven't seen real non-democracies make all sort of such unfounded claims. To anybody making such claim i suggest to visit my old country - Russia - and try to use any rights supposedly guaranteed by Russian "democracy". Well, let's wait and see how it looks at the end of the next four years. It seems like your experience of countries that calk themselves democracies is the US and Russia? Two extremes for sure, but I don't think either of them provide a good model for what a liberal democracy can be.

by trhway 2y ago

esperent 2y ago

It's kind of ironic that you're treating the US as the exceptional, canonical example of democracy on an article making the claim that perhaps it shouldn't even be called a democracy at all anymore. At the very least, I think you have to accept that all these other places which don't guarantee freedom of speech to hateful people have just as much, if not more, claim to being democracies, and that therefore, freedom of speech for all possible minorities is not actually a fundamental part of being a democracy.

trhway 2y ago
>an article making the claim that perhaps it shouldn't even be called a democracy at all anymore. some of those people here who haven't seen real non-democracies make all sort of such unfounded claims. To anybody making such claim i suggest to visit my old country - Russia - and try to use any rights supposedly guaranteed by Russian "democracy". >you have to accept that all these other places which don't guarantee freedom of speech to hateful people have just as much, if not more, claim to being democracies as long as they deliver on their guarantees of rights they are good democracies too. I just personally like US style more. Including how for example Congress is elected - individual elections instead of parties lists (like say in Germany). > freedom of speech for all possible minorities is not actually a fundamental part of being a democracy. it is fundamental part of the US democracy because it is guaranteed as such a right here.
- esperent 2y ago
  > some of those people here who haven't seen real non-democracies make all sort of such unfounded claims. To anybody making such claim i suggest to visit my old country - Russia - and try to use any rights supposedly guaranteed by Russian "democracy". Well, let's wait and see how it looks at the end of the next four years. It seems like your experience of countries that calk themselves democracies is the US and Russia? Two extremes for sure, but I don't think either of them provide a good model for what a liberal democracy can be.