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I don't disagree with your message, but- > coupled with all other stuff like illegal border crossing I've seen a few comments talk about this, but this doesn'

I don't disagree with your message, but- > coupled with all other stuff like illegal border crossing I've seen a few comments talk about this, but this doesn't affect my day-to-day literally at all. This never crosses my mind because there aren't illegals I come across or maybe just don't ever cross paths with. Is this primarily a border state thing? If so, wouldn't that limit it to just CA, TX, NM, AZ? And only one of those is a swing state.

hackernewds 2y ago
You are clearly not representative, as so isn't most of HN, of the average demographic that has to worry about their blue collar jobs (whether that be a real risk or not)
- cutemonster 2y ago
  People who worry about immigration, have their own job security in mind, rather than worrying about crime, you're saying? (Makes sense to me I guess, just sounds different from what Trump seemed to be taking about: crime and eating people's pets. I'm in Europe and don't know much.)
  - thehappypm 2y ago
    Middle America sees immigration as: Outsiders coming in and changing the society. People who don’t speak English sending their kids to their schools. Moving into their neighborhoods and making it more competitive for their friends and family to move into their neighborhoods. Creating “bad neighborhoods” and increasing crime.
    - cutemonster 2y ago
      Lots of different things then (you're saying), thanks
cryptonector 2y ago
At what rate of illegal crossings would you be affected?
- consteval 2y ago
  Impossible to say, but as someone who lives in Texas and has actually lived on the border, it's simply not a real problem. Nobody notices, or cares, about it. What happens is people attribute seemingly random events to illegal immigration. Higher prices? Immigration! (never mind that immigrants are cheap labor, which should lower prices). Crime? Immigration! (never mind crime continues to go down and has been for decades). Your shoes untied? Immigration! It's just such a stark disconnect from reality. They're just used as scapegoats, enemies of the American people.
  - cryptonector 2y ago
    > Higher prices? Immigration! (never mind that immigrants are cheap labor, which should lower prices). One argument I often see is that housing costs are increased by the large increase in population. Can you speak to that? Can you imagine a rate that might be too high? 1 million/year? 10 m/y? 20 m/y? 50 m/y? There must be a limit, even for you.
    - consteval 2y ago
      They aren't buying houses, they're very poor. The housing crisis is caused primarily by middle class and rich domestic white people. The problem is we're not building affordable housing, the reason being housing is the primary and most effective investment for the middle class. People who already own property have the highest incentive imaginable to NOT build more housing. Affordable housing means your investment depreciates.
      - thehappypm 2y ago
        No, the housing crisis is caused by an imbalance of supply and demand. Immigration (legal or otherwise) increases demand for housing. Your argument that immigrants are poor doesn’t change that, immigrants still live somewhere, and that drives the demand for housing up. Increasing the housing supply is a solution, but allowing demand to increase is also exacerbating the issue
valval 2y ago
You have people looking out for your future regarding topics you don’t know to watch out for. This happens all the time everywhere around you, that people are fighting silent battles so you don’t have to.

hackernewds 2y ago

You are clearly not representative, as so isn't most of HN, of the average demographic that has to worry about their blue collar jobs (whether that be a real risk or not)

cutemonster 2y ago
People who worry about immigration, have their own job security in mind, rather than worrying about crime, you're saying? (Makes sense to me I guess, just sounds different from what Trump seemed to be taking about: crime and eating people's pets. I'm in Europe and don't know much.)
- thehappypm 2y ago
  Middle America sees immigration as: Outsiders coming in and changing the society. People who don’t speak English sending their kids to their schools. Moving into their neighborhoods and making it more competitive for their friends and family to move into their neighborhoods. Creating “bad neighborhoods” and increasing crime.
  - cutemonster 2y ago
    Lots of different things then (you're saying), thanks

cryptonector 2y ago

At what rate of illegal crossings would you be affected?

consteval 2y ago
Impossible to say, but as someone who lives in Texas and has actually lived on the border, it's simply not a real problem. Nobody notices, or cares, about it. What happens is people attribute seemingly random events to illegal immigration. Higher prices? Immigration! (never mind that immigrants are cheap labor, which should lower prices). Crime? Immigration! (never mind crime continues to go down and has been for decades). Your shoes untied? Immigration! It's just such a stark disconnect from reality. They're just used as scapegoats, enemies of the American people.
- cryptonector 2y ago
  > Higher prices? Immigration! (never mind that immigrants are cheap labor, which should lower prices). One argument I often see is that housing costs are increased by the large increase in population. Can you speak to that? Can you imagine a rate that might be too high? 1 million/year? 10 m/y? 20 m/y? 50 m/y? There must be a limit, even for you.
  - consteval 2y ago
    They aren't buying houses, they're very poor. The housing crisis is caused primarily by middle class and rich domestic white people. The problem is we're not building affordable housing, the reason being housing is the primary and most effective investment for the middle class. People who already own property have the highest incentive imaginable to NOT build more housing. Affordable housing means your investment depreciates.
    - thehappypm 2y ago
      No, the housing crisis is caused by an imbalance of supply and demand. Immigration (legal or otherwise) increases demand for housing. Your argument that immigrants are poor doesn’t change that, immigrants still live somewhere, and that drives the demand for housing up. Increasing the housing supply is a solution, but allowing demand to increase is also exacerbating the issue

valval 2y ago

You have people looking out for your future regarding topics you don’t know to watch out for. This happens all the time everywhere around you, that people are fighting silent battles so you don’t have to.