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Maybe it's just me, but if I wanted someone to use my software I wouldn't have 'lulz' on the main page that could scare people off. The tests link doesn't work

Maybe it's just me, but if I wanted someone to use my software I wouldn't have 'lulz' on the main page that could scare people off. The tests link doesn't work either so I thought it was somehow related.

heretohelp 14y ago
What part of >A large, bloated JS framework with an unintuitive syntax and very few features didn't your browser display? It's mostly designed for performance anyway.
- Irishsteve 14y ago
  this bit http://www.javelinjs.com/specs/ http://www.javelinjs.com/specs/
ObnoxiousJul 14y ago
You'd want to 'lulz' and be rude to avoid the hipsters. You may wish to have a little community with a better noise signal ratio, and you may use your README to scare the «serious» programmers that rely more about BS told on a website than on reading the code. Still, I am not the targeted audience for their framework. I do not like their syntax.
- coderdude 14y ago
  This seems like some kind of bizarre/opposite logic to me. You think you'd get a better signal-to-noise ratio from the lulz crowd, and that non-'lulzy' programmers are more into (marketing?) BS than reading code? I am fascinated by this point of view.
  - ObnoxiousJul 14y ago
    Well, since CS due to good wages has attracted the hipsters that confuses their IQ with the price of their gadget, and that are in average better at communicating (with their so hype websites) than the average hectic programmers, you may want to filter them out, and make fun of them. These self called geeks and gurus are best avoided in projects. I guess the hacked by China joke is like a filter. Real programmers do it for fun. And they not only do it in few words, they also do it with 'finger'. I guess, they are just doing a cultural handshake they try to filter out the morons by sending irrelevant information on one hand (the official website), and another one on the other hand (the doc is concise and clear). For me it is a new divide in programming community: the infatuated hipsters self called geeks vs the mocking nerds. For me it is the sense of the zed shaw's rant on rails, and of the readme and sites of javelin. PS : I belong to the mocking nerds.
    - coderdude 14y ago
      It sounds like you mean to imply that iOS developers and Ruby programmers are the hipsters, no? I'm not really familiar with the battle between "hipsters" and "real nerds" in the programming world. My experience has been the opposite of yours in that the lulz crowd is usually the more inexperienced group. There are more dimensions here than just two. The two groups you've described co-exist with many other kinds of programmers. For example, Linus Torvalds is not a mocking nerd or a hipster. I would imagine that many programmers do not identify with the two groups you've described. There are groups of 'serious' and talented programmers, lulzy talented programmers, lulzy hipster programmers, and every combination in between. Shades of gray, as they say.
      - ObnoxiousJul 14y ago
        The divide in CS is about imagination. Some have it, some don't. Some see shades of gray, some sees a rainbow of colours and even the ones that are not in the visible spectrum, I'd say.
        zaptheimpaler 14y ago
        Could you elaborate on this? Seems like an interesting point.
        ObnoxiousJul 14y ago
        Yes, it is about ideas not words. You can learn the word, it does not forcibly tell you about the ideas. Especially the new one. If a software has been done, buy it! It will be almost always less expensive than building it. If it has not been done yet, no book or knowledge can tell you how to do it. And if an idea you can code is new, you'll hardly have the word for it. It is easier to brag about «well (re)known ideas» than doing new stuff. Colours you can't see are ideas we have not yet the word to describe them to those who can't see them.
      - robertocr 14y ago
        (shades of different colors, actually.) well put.
- EvilTerran 14y ago
  I don't suppose you could define your usage of the word "hipster" for me? Because I can't see how it fits with my understanding of the word. It looks to me like you're just using it as a generic insult meaning "people who like what I don't like".
  - skrebbel 14y ago
    hey, that's an excellent definition!
  - JackC 14y ago
    I think in this context (and usually) hipster means "someone who pretends to like something new or unusual in order to broadcast their superiority." That's why everyone thinks someone else is a hipster -- it's a claim about sincerity. As in "I've always enjoyed Pabst Blue Ribbon because I like the taste, but that guy over there is just a hipster." That's also why it's a pretty jerk thing to call someone on the internet. Hipster-slingers: you have no frickin idea why people like the things they like. But try assuming it's because they actually like them. It makes the conversation a lot more fun.
    - ObnoxiousJul 14y ago
      +1 JackC // very nice definition. With a tinge of truth :) I only visualize the people with their crappy and expensive earplugs and ipod telling how much they love music. And they seems to ignore how much their sound is distorded. Hispters love the words and attitude and despise the knowledge. That's my definition.
      - lusr 14y ago
        You're doing exactly what JackC is talking about. You're deciding your way of enjoying and loving music is the only way and anybody who does it in a different way is an imposter. Ironically, by my definition, that makes you a hipster :))
        ObnoxiousJul 14y ago
- phillmv 14y ago
  You realize that writing an ironic page like that is very "hipster", right?
- gurkendoktor 14y ago
  I'll buy for minute that it makes sense to scare off everyone who relies on bullshit bingo websites. But then, why maintain a lulzy website at all? Wouldn't a non-hipster, however you define them, spend that effort coding instead?
kkowalczyk 14y ago
"This snakeskin jacket is a symbol of my individuality and my belief in personal freedom." - from Wild@Heart. For some people expressing individuality is more important than "wanting someone to use their software".

heretohelp 14y ago

What part of >A large, bloated JS framework with an unintuitive syntax and very few features didn't your browser display? It's mostly designed for performance anyway.

Irishsteve 14y ago
this bit http://www.javelinjs.com/specs/ http://www.javelinjs.com/specs/

ObnoxiousJul 14y ago

You'd want to 'lulz' and be rude to avoid the hipsters. You may wish to have a little community with a better noise signal ratio, and you may use your README to scare the «serious» programmers that rely more about BS told on a website than on reading the code. Still, I am not the targeted audience for their framework. I do not like their syntax.

coderdude 14y ago
This seems like some kind of bizarre/opposite logic to me. You think you'd get a better signal-to-noise ratio from the lulz crowd, and that non-'lulzy' programmers are more into (marketing?) BS than reading code? I am fascinated by this point of view.
- ObnoxiousJul 14y ago
  Well, since CS due to good wages has attracted the hipsters that confuses their IQ with the price of their gadget, and that are in average better at communicating (with their so hype websites) than the average hectic programmers, you may want to filter them out, and make fun of them. These self called geeks and gurus are best avoided in projects. I guess the hacked by China joke is like a filter. Real programmers do it for fun. And they not only do it in few words, they also do it with 'finger'. I guess, they are just doing a cultural handshake they try to filter out the morons by sending irrelevant information on one hand (the official website), and another one on the other hand (the doc is concise and clear). For me it is a new divide in programming community: the infatuated hipsters self called geeks vs the mocking nerds. For me it is the sense of the zed shaw's rant on rails, and of the readme and sites of javelin. PS : I belong to the mocking nerds.
  - coderdude 14y ago
    It sounds like you mean to imply that iOS developers and Ruby programmers are the hipsters, no? I'm not really familiar with the battle between "hipsters" and "real nerds" in the programming world. My experience has been the opposite of yours in that the lulz crowd is usually the more inexperienced group. There are more dimensions here than just two. The two groups you've described co-exist with many other kinds of programmers. For example, Linus Torvalds is not a mocking nerd or a hipster. I would imagine that many programmers do not identify with the two groups you've described. There are groups of 'serious' and talented programmers, lulzy talented programmers, lulzy hipster programmers, and every combination in between. Shades of gray, as they say.
    - ObnoxiousJul 14y ago
      The divide in CS is about imagination. Some have it, some don't. Some see shades of gray, some sees a rainbow of colours and even the ones that are not in the visible spectrum, I'd say.
      - zaptheimpaler 14y ago
        Could you elaborate on this? Seems like an interesting point.
        ObnoxiousJul 14y ago
        Yes, it is about ideas not words. You can learn the word, it does not forcibly tell you about the ideas. Especially the new one. If a software has been done, buy it! It will be almost always less expensive than building it. If it has not been done yet, no book or knowledge can tell you how to do it. And if an idea you can code is new, you'll hardly have the word for it. It is easier to brag about «well (re)known ideas» than doing new stuff. Colours you can't see are ideas we have not yet the word to describe them to those who can't see them.
    - robertocr 14y ago
      (shades of different colors, actually.) well put.
EvilTerran 14y ago
I don't suppose you could define your usage of the word "hipster" for me? Because I can't see how it fits with my understanding of the word. It looks to me like you're just using it as a generic insult meaning "people who like what I don't like".
- skrebbel 14y ago
  hey, that's an excellent definition!
- JackC 14y ago
  I think in this context (and usually) hipster means "someone who pretends to like something new or unusual in order to broadcast their superiority." That's why everyone thinks someone else is a hipster -- it's a claim about sincerity. As in "I've always enjoyed Pabst Blue Ribbon because I like the taste, but that guy over there is just a hipster." That's also why it's a pretty jerk thing to call someone on the internet. Hipster-slingers: you have no frickin idea why people like the things they like. But try assuming it's because they actually like them. It makes the conversation a lot more fun.
  - ObnoxiousJul 14y ago
    +1 JackC // very nice definition. With a tinge of truth :) I only visualize the people with their crappy and expensive earplugs and ipod telling how much they love music. And they seems to ignore how much their sound is distorded. Hispters love the words and attitude and despise the knowledge. That's my definition.
    - lusr 14y ago
      You're doing exactly what JackC is talking about. You're deciding your way of enjoying and loving music is the only way and anybody who does it in a different way is an imposter. Ironically, by my definition, that makes you a hipster :))
      - ObnoxiousJul 14y ago
phillmv 14y ago
You realize that writing an ironic page like that is very "hipster", right?
gurkendoktor 14y ago
I'll buy for minute that it makes sense to scare off everyone who relies on bullshit bingo websites. But then, why maintain a lulzy website at all? Wouldn't a non-hipster, however you define them, spend that effort coding instead?

kkowalczyk 14y ago

"This snakeskin jacket is a symbol of my individuality and my belief in personal freedom." - from Wild@Heart. For some people expressing individuality is more important than "wanting someone to use their software".