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As a German I'm quite happy with this, because the coalition was doomed to fail from the start. On that note, I read the paper of Lidner and IMHO he has good p

As a German I'm quite happy with this, because the coalition was doomed to fail from the start. On that note, I read the paper of Lidner and IMHO he has good points. Germany does not have an issue with income but with spending. We spend way too much for social stuff, especially pensions. The idea proposed by the SDP would fuck every following generation over pretty hard. And to loose the debt break to funnel that money to the Ukraine is brain dead. Why does no one tackle overflowing spending for social stuff, insane bureaucracy, abysmal education. I'm a bit concerned about new elections. That will probably make the CxU the major party, with probably SPD as a junior partner. However, IMHo the whole German political landscape is just FUBAR. CDU/CSU=old guys sprinkled with new guys that are both corrupt. Scheuer, Spahn, Dobrindt et al. Merz as chancellor. Yeah fuck. SPU=Give money from the middle class so poor, so they don't have to work that match FDP=Unfortunately I do not own a Porsche, but generally speaking I find the ideas proposed by Lidner in his paper quite sound Grüne=Ivory tower and out of touch with working people AFD=Crude mix between Nazis and just braindead people BSW=??? + all the other smaller parties that are just useless I pay the max amount possible for public healthcare (~1,1k€?) and pay about 1k+ in wage tax. That's just outright insane. In the meantime, my ex wife gets paid a flat + utilities + some other stuff. This is all fucked. The EU needs to get stronger, by having a Ungarn Exit and stopping the idiotic expansion to Moldova and the other states that will bring nothing to the table. Instead, they should be made partner, with some benefits, butno voting rights. Oh, and please no Schengen for all of them. With the shit also going on with the US election this is all just shit.

Phelinofist 2y ago
Oh, and the speech by Scholz was just taken from a drawer, so it has been written for quite some time. So overall this is just shady: Lidner wanted structured new elections but now Scholz forced this to be some shit show. Also the 4 points mentioned by Scholz are mostly shit: 1. Subventions for VW/other car manufactures: good to secure jobs, but eventually against strengthen of the German economy because we keep failed shot living for some time that is also doomed to fail 2. Energy price, how will he do it without screwing over private households? 3. Pensions: Yeah, the proposed pension packet would screw over newer generations tremendously, just to secure some votes from old people 4. More money for the Ukraine. Use that money to invest in to European Level defense
- dlahoda 2y ago
  4. what part of money sent to ukraine is actually investment to eu defence? trying tactics and seeing arms in actios and then selling these to aravia and asia because of good reviews. 3. all young screwed with inflation money printing, and laws protecting rich to be rich, not poor become rich. so i doubt any coutry is different now. 2. check out nuclear in france and canada. they are fine. and... it was russia. ao de does not wants to fight it again? 1. yeah, exactly this, as i worked in that oart of de industry for a while.
  - Phelinofist 2y ago
    TBH, I'm not sure I can parse your comment correctly, but I'll try anyway: 1. I also work for some subsidiary of VW and honestly them going down is no surprise. It's mismanagement on all levels 2. I'm not sure nuclear is a good think. Sure, no CO2, but waste. Also, building them is just ridiculously expensive. 3. Unfortunately true! But the plans of the SPD were really insane IMHO 4. What I meant is that instead of sending anything to the Ukraine just invest in EU level defense.
gndk 2y ago
As another German, I fully agree about the political landscape in Germany being FUBAR. I'm an entrepreneur with a small business and the FDP is closest to my personal views in theory. In reality, they are just a bit lighter shade of green-socialism than the other parties. Lindner's paper is a joke. Germany needs much more radical changes than he proposed to ensure a prosperous future, but even his very tame suggestions now caused a government collapse. My payment for public healthcare is also at the maximum around 1k€/month and similar wage taxes. A few days ago I used an unemployment payment / "Bürgergeld" calculator and found out that if I stopped working and instead just got married and had 1-2 kids, I'd have more income after taxes than now. This is completely unsustainable, but nobody in politics talks about it. New elections won't make a difference, other than taking away some time and focus from the people in power to do more harm to the country. There simply is nobody sensible to vote for. Germany, and all of the EU in general, needs to hit absolute rock bottom first for new and sensible political parties to emerge. Personally, I don't want to be around for the ride down, so I'm preparing to leave the sinking ship. Unfortunately thats not easy with enormous exit taxes and much of the western world in a similarly bad state. The US honestly seems like the best option right now.
- Phelinofist 2y ago
  > Lindner's paper is a joke. Germany needs much more radical changes than he proposed to ensure a prosperous future, but even his very tame suggestions now caused a government collapse. I wouldn't call it a joke, but rather a starting point. I agree that more radical changes are required. But then again, who will do them? Which party? Yeah, there is none
- blubberblase42 2y ago
  > My payment for public healthcare is also at the maximum around 1k€/month and similar wage taxes [...] > and found out that if I stopped working and instead just got married and had 1-2 kids, I'd have more income after taxes than now That's not possible. Either you lied or didn't fill out the Bürgergeld calculator correctly. If you make enough money to get to the Jahresarbeitsentgeltgrenze so you pay the maximum of 843.53€ for public healthcare, then you at least should get 3.213€ a month "auf die Hand". If you get you apartment payed and 563€ if you are alone or 506€ if you are married. Yes you get "extra" money if you have kids, but FUNFACT: Kids cost money. All political landscape is FUBAR. But in part that because there are unlimited different opinions but only a handful of party's. I don't know how Cum-Ex Scholz could get Chancellor and I am ashamed of it, but with E-Fuel-Porsche Linder... You know his company before politics, which he ran into ground was funded in part by the KFW? He wasted more of our money than a village of people getting Bürgergeld. Yeah sure, the german car industry will be great again with this E-Fuel bullshit and then with lesser taxes the profits will trickle down to everyone. Have fun with more poverty and richer Billionaires.
SvenL 2y ago
I don't think the issue is spending on social stuff. There are more issues like tax evasion - even supported by the ministry of Lindner [1]. But I think the biggest issue is spending money by employing more and more governance worker. I heard that the Kanzleramt employs more people than most of the big companies in Germany. Also, you wrote CDU is corrupt, but FDP feels as corrupt as CDU. At least it looks like working for FDP lead ministry pays off [2][3]. It just feels morally wrong to try to cut social spending when they can't cut spending on their side. Also, pensions for governance worker are pretty high too. (sorry for German sources) [1] https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/politik/gerda-hofmann-finanzministerium-vortraege-100.html https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/politik/gerda-hofmann-finanzm... [2] https://www.merkur.de/politik/schuldenbremse-bundeshaushalt-sparen-befoerderungen-befoerderungswelle-fdp-zr-92717403.html https://www.merkur.de/politik/schuldenbremse-bundeshaushalt-... [3] https://www.stern.de/politik/deutschland/finanzministerium--beamte-verdienten-mehr-als-700-000-euro-nebenher-34319288.html https://www.stern.de/politik/deutschland/finanzministerium--...
- Phelinofist 2y ago
  My comment was written with a bit of rage, I might have missed some things. So I agree with wealth tax and tackling tax evasion. Yes, I also should've added corruption to FDP, good catch! Mövenpick. Also look at the absolute dog shit minister that is Wissing. I also agree with reducing spending on their side.
  - SvenL 2y ago
    I edited my comment also a little bit because I wrote in rage. It really feels frustrating the political landscape (voting the "least evil" party).
    - Phelinofist 2y ago
      I think you can also do this before someone replys, so no luck there. Honestly I have no clue who to vote for. I guess we will get a GroKo again, which is utterly retarded, SPD has to go to. Their pension packet is just insane.
tharkun__ 2y ago
We spend way too much for social stuff, especially pensions Germany has a problem with pensions in particular but it isn't fixable without abandoning what Germany stands for. At least for another few generations. Germany told everyone that they needn't worry about their pensions. The government has got your back. We take care of it. Norbert Bluem - "Your pension is safe!" Shortly after they introduced legislation that would make pensioners pay tax on their pension income. Something that was "not a thing" before. They also basically told those people that would now have to pay tax on their pension income that they "should've had private pension plans already anyway". Oh and they introduced multiple ways to help insurance companies steal people's money. "Riester Renter" and such. Not a good deal at all. Oh and there's no way to save money in a tax advantaged way without using insurance companies. No self-serve investment 401k or RRSP. It's all employer and insurance tied. Way to fuck over your population.
NoZZz 2y ago
In the end the Nazi's had the right ideal, your laziness is causing capital outflow, and this hits you in the face, later. It's time to critically examine the capital outflow and inflow of Europe, and act accordingly.

Phelinofist 2y ago

Oh, and the speech by Scholz was just taken from a drawer, so it has been written for quite some time. So overall this is just shady: Lidner wanted structured new elections but now Scholz forced this to be some shit show. Also the 4 points mentioned by Scholz are mostly shit: 1. Subventions for VW/other car manufactures: good to secure jobs, but eventually against strengthen of the German economy because we keep failed shot living for some time that is also doomed to fail 2. Energy price, how will he do it without screwing over private households? 3. Pensions: Yeah, the proposed pension packet would screw over newer generations tremendously, just to secure some votes from old people 4. More money for the Ukraine. Use that money to invest in to European Level defense

dlahoda 2y ago
4. what part of money sent to ukraine is actually investment to eu defence? trying tactics and seeing arms in actios and then selling these to aravia and asia because of good reviews. 3. all young screwed with inflation money printing, and laws protecting rich to be rich, not poor become rich. so i doubt any coutry is different now. 2. check out nuclear in france and canada. they are fine. and... it was russia. ao de does not wants to fight it again? 1. yeah, exactly this, as i worked in that oart of de industry for a while.
- Phelinofist 2y ago
  TBH, I'm not sure I can parse your comment correctly, but I'll try anyway: 1. I also work for some subsidiary of VW and honestly them going down is no surprise. It's mismanagement on all levels 2. I'm not sure nuclear is a good think. Sure, no CO2, but waste. Also, building them is just ridiculously expensive. 3. Unfortunately true! But the plans of the SPD were really insane IMHO 4. What I meant is that instead of sending anything to the Ukraine just invest in EU level defense.

gndk 2y ago

As another German, I fully agree about the political landscape in Germany being FUBAR. I'm an entrepreneur with a small business and the FDP is closest to my personal views in theory. In reality, they are just a bit lighter shade of green-socialism than the other parties. Lindner's paper is a joke. Germany needs much more radical changes than he proposed to ensure a prosperous future, but even his very tame suggestions now caused a government collapse. My payment for public healthcare is also at the maximum around 1k€/month and similar wage taxes. A few days ago I used an unemployment payment / "Bürgergeld" calculator and found out that if I stopped working and instead just got married and had 1-2 kids, I'd have more income after taxes than now. This is completely unsustainable, but nobody in politics talks about it. New elections won't make a difference, other than taking away some time and focus from the people in power to do more harm to the country. There simply is nobody sensible to vote for. Germany, and all of the EU in general, needs to hit absolute rock bottom first for new and sensible political parties to emerge. Personally, I don't want to be around for the ride down, so I'm preparing to leave the sinking ship. Unfortunately thats not easy with enormous exit taxes and much of the western world in a similarly bad state. The US honestly seems like the best option right now.

Phelinofist 2y ago
> Lindner's paper is a joke. Germany needs much more radical changes than he proposed to ensure a prosperous future, but even his very tame suggestions now caused a government collapse. I wouldn't call it a joke, but rather a starting point. I agree that more radical changes are required. But then again, who will do them? Which party? Yeah, there is none
blubberblase42 2y ago
> My payment for public healthcare is also at the maximum around 1k€/month and similar wage taxes [...] > and found out that if I stopped working and instead just got married and had 1-2 kids, I'd have more income after taxes than now That's not possible. Either you lied or didn't fill out the Bürgergeld calculator correctly. If you make enough money to get to the Jahresarbeitsentgeltgrenze so you pay the maximum of 843.53€ for public healthcare, then you at least should get 3.213€ a month "auf die Hand". If you get you apartment payed and 563€ if you are alone or 506€ if you are married. Yes you get "extra" money if you have kids, but FUNFACT: Kids cost money. All political landscape is FUBAR. But in part that because there are unlimited different opinions but only a handful of party's. I don't know how Cum-Ex Scholz could get Chancellor and I am ashamed of it, but with E-Fuel-Porsche Linder... You know his company before politics, which he ran into ground was funded in part by the KFW? He wasted more of our money than a village of people getting Bürgergeld. Yeah sure, the german car industry will be great again with this E-Fuel bullshit and then with lesser taxes the profits will trickle down to everyone. Have fun with more poverty and richer Billionaires.

SvenL 2y ago

I don't think the issue is spending on social stuff. There are more issues like tax evasion - even supported by the ministry of Lindner [1]. But I think the biggest issue is spending money by employing more and more governance worker. I heard that the Kanzleramt employs more people than most of the big companies in Germany. Also, you wrote CDU is corrupt, but FDP feels as corrupt as CDU. At least it looks like working for FDP lead ministry pays off [2][3]. It just feels morally wrong to try to cut social spending when they can't cut spending on their side. Also, pensions for governance worker are pretty high too. (sorry for German sources) [1] https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/politik/gerda-hofmann-finanzministerium-vortraege-100.html https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/politik/gerda-hofmann-finanzm... [2] https://www.merkur.de/politik/schuldenbremse-bundeshaushalt-sparen-befoerderungen-befoerderungswelle-fdp-zr-92717403.html https://www.merkur.de/politik/schuldenbremse-bundeshaushalt-... [3] https://www.stern.de/politik/deutschland/finanzministerium--beamte-verdienten-mehr-als-700-000-euro-nebenher-34319288.html https://www.stern.de/politik/deutschland/finanzministerium--...

Phelinofist 2y ago
My comment was written with a bit of rage, I might have missed some things. So I agree with wealth tax and tackling tax evasion. Yes, I also should've added corruption to FDP, good catch! Mövenpick. Also look at the absolute dog shit minister that is Wissing. I also agree with reducing spending on their side.
- SvenL 2y ago
  I edited my comment also a little bit because I wrote in rage. It really feels frustrating the political landscape (voting the "least evil" party).
  - Phelinofist 2y ago
    I think you can also do this before someone replys, so no luck there. Honestly I have no clue who to vote for. I guess we will get a GroKo again, which is utterly retarded, SPD has to go to. Their pension packet is just insane.

tharkun__ 2y ago

We spend way too much for social stuff, especially pensions Germany has a problem with pensions in particular but it isn't fixable without abandoning what Germany stands for. At least for another few generations. Germany told everyone that they needn't worry about their pensions. The government has got your back. We take care of it. Norbert Bluem - "Your pension is safe!" Shortly after they introduced legislation that would make pensioners pay tax on their pension income. Something that was "not a thing" before. They also basically told those people that would now have to pay tax on their pension income that they "should've had private pension plans already anyway". Oh and they introduced multiple ways to help insurance companies steal people's money. "Riester Renter" and such. Not a good deal at all. Oh and there's no way to save money in a tax advantaged way without using insurance companies. No self-serve investment 401k or RRSP. It's all employer and insurance tied. Way to fuck over your population.

NoZZz 2y ago

In the end the Nazi's had the right ideal, your laziness is causing capital outflow, and this hits you in the face, later. It's time to critically examine the capital outflow and inflow of Europe, and act accordingly.